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you’re not allowed to use the bible that way. you can only use it to justify irrational beliefs and hate towards others that don’t align with your view of the world. /s

seriously though, if people actually applied what the bible said in the context that it is said I think we would all literally be in a better place.


it depends how long you’ve been obese, how obese you were and if there were external factors that led there.

glad getting back to a normal weight worked for you. This is awesome.


yes. the “if” maneuver for the mental gymnastics gold! cannot believe i wasted my time reading this pedantry


> 36 of 84611 in the unvaccinated versus 0 in 1066 in the vaccinated group. 36 in 84611 is roughly 1 in 2350, but we only had 1066 infected in the vaccinated group. There is not enough information to claim the death rate per infection is higher or lower, and that uncertainty is indicated in the graph above. That is worlds away from the relative immortality communicated by the efficacy number 100%.

Okay. But immediately after…

> In fact, if there had been 24 deaths in the vaccinated group the efficacy reported would have been 3%! Because it was looking at rates over time, 24 deaths would have been the death rate over time similar to 36 in the unvaccinated group. But clearly, among those infected, 36 in 84611 is a far lower death rate than 24 in 1066!

If? Now we’re onto hypotheticals. Here is an idea, you have so few because they were vaccinated!

Also the mental gymnastics of saying: “it’s better to not be vaccinated in case you get covid because you are less likely to die” is worthy of a mental gymnastics olympics gold medal.

I understand that the CDC guy may have worded things differently but directionally he is right.

But, again, one cannot just ignore the hypotheticals of Dr. Gator when it provides validation for your anti-vaxx stupid attitude.


the CSAM part is not opt-in.

technically you could not update to ios 15 or disable icloud, but it's not opt-in by any means.


yes, this is coming to the mac also. surveillance across the board!


the line is crossed because if you store data in the cloud you kind of get that the provider might be force to give LE to it. It may or may not happen but if it's in the cloud technically it's out of your control.

Stuff running on your device OTOH, you have the illusion that you control it. It's YOUR physical device and technically you should be able to do whatever you want with it. Now, enter closed source software + walled gardens => you don't really control your device. You don't get a say on what's going on in it. Up until know we believed Apple would do the right thing. Well... Myth busted I guess.


Turn off iCloud Photos and it won't run the surveillance. Seems reasonable that if you want to store your photos on someone else's hardware, they should get some say whether their hardware is used to store child porn.


seems reasonable? here’s the thing: you start with a clear cut case like cp and after that you add different things that, as a government, bother you. you’re in a totalitarian state faster than you can blink.

The turn off icloud argument also does not work. Who tells you they’re not going to keep pulling stunts like this? So the solution is: stop using Apple. Now what?


> The turn off icloud argument also does not work.

Doesn't it? It worked on Android for the past seven years. Haven't heard anyone complain about the fact that Google has being doing pretty much the exact same thing to all photos uploaded to their cloud.

> So the solution is: stop using Apple.

Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and probably a dozen other major companies who didn't even consider it necessary to tell us.


stopped using Google, M$ and Facebook a long time ago. Guess it’s time for Apple to go.


to me it seems like if you don't use Apple you're totally protected. Hmm... What is the alternative again? Is there a phone that does straight linux and everything is open source?



> So the user can’t have information about anything, but they can appeal the decision if their account is locked? And locking the account might cause people to do all kinds of stupid things like resetting their device to get the account back or because they panicked. Then the only evidence is some opaque system that claims the user had illegal content. That’s scary.

At that point you have uploaded the pictures to icloud. The evidence is in icloud. You cannot destroy your device to get rid of this.


The Big Brain Scheme Apple uses for their CSAM stuff. Summary for the lazy:

- this is going to be out in ios15

- Apple will build and push a database of hashes with every update

- these hashes will be used to verify against the pics before they are uploaded to icloud and generate a "voucher"

- once a certain threshold of vouchers is passed, Apple will be able to decrypt the pictures in questions (all this discussion seems to assume Apple does not have access to icloud pictures - so maybe they are preparing to rollout full encrypted backups???)

- the crypto stuff is interesting

- the scary part is that there is nothing preventing Apple to do the same thing with other thing on your phone (assuming there is a way to generate a good enough matching hash - I can see how this could be easily extended to basically anything that's stored on the phone)


Your last point is a slippery slope that began the moment you allowed any software on any device to update itself. Literally any software that updates itself could be converted into a treacherous surveillance system at any time.

And literally any cloud storage service could betray you at any time without pushing new binaries to your hardware.

And nobody ever has to tell you shit.


for all that i know the software doesn’t even need to update itself. it may have the backdoor built in.

so now what? go back to landlines? stop using a “smart”phone?


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