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As a startup you don't have Google's money. You don't have Google's employer brand. You don't have Google's work environment.

in fact as a (hopefully) fast-growing startup the only thing you really have to offer is growth. So make it clear how you are going to help the candidate grow their career and experience faster at your startup than at the established company, and offer the best you can do on comp and work environment.

This doesn't mean fresh grads, but more like someone with a bit of experience who's ready to jump into a team lead or architectural lead role.


I upvoted you despite entirely disagreeing with your premise. Yes - negotiate with the county to take over management of the playgrounds and lawn mowing. Yes - make the clubhouse and parking lots open, fee-based and voluntary, and controlled by a private corporation rather than an imposed, taxed service. Yes - return the excess money to the current homeowners, or use some of it to effectuate these conversions.

Honestly, the amount of money you have in reserve, plus the list of amenities you list, makes it sound like the HOA has been sitting on a spigot of endless cash for a very long time and finding nice-to-have things to justify the continued fees.


We have a reserve study completed by a professional company that requires us to hold this much. For example, we are replacing two AC units for $50k total. Pool needs to be resurfaced for $100k. We have roof repairs that will need to be done eventually, gym equipment replacements, various beautification repairs, weir repair ($250k), fish guards/blockers, pond maintenance etc


Sure - I understand these roofing, HVAC and landscaping expenses are associated to the common amenities? So if you spin out the clubhouse into a country club that members can opt to join, you can allocate the clubhouse an appropriate amount of cash. When you negotiate with the county to take over management of the grounds including the pond, you can negotiate to give them some of the reserve money for the future pond fixes.

I understand it wouldn't be easy to change all these management responsibilities, but in principle everything the HOA does can be devolved to either voluntary associations, or to public authorities (as happens in most of the rest of the world). Unlike a condo association, it's not a completely unimaginable shift what this lawmaker is proposing.


Right agree and I think I have tried to articulate that here and below. Florida law says what to do when HOAs are dissolved. Point is it will be extremely messy to suddenly dissolve hundreds or thousands of HOAs. Windfall for the State too because the money by default needs to go somewhere and it won’t go back to the homeowners (which ones btw current or past, law doesn’t speak to it). So it goes to the State based on the sale of the land and properties.

I don’t think homeowners will be universally pleased with this.


I understand your point. Thanks for your thoughtful engagement.


Doesn’t that mean the budget at the county level will have to increase to cover all the new maintenance, and thus taxes raised? I’d rather have some say in what my money goes towards in the HOA than have taxes raised to maintain neighborhoods all over that I never visit. We end up paying either way.

Cities or counties suddenly having to take over lots of road, playgrounds, sidewalks, street lights, and etc is going to be a big drain on their budget. Sure they could run with the HOA's money for a while but eventually they're going to have to pay.


That is the best possible solution. That's how it works in my neighborhood and it is the best answer.

This neighborhood has a few amenities like soccer fields, tennis courts, bike/walk trails and exercise stations. In the early days of construction there was some debate about a HOA but that was fortunately shot down pretty quickly as far too toxic.

Instead, there is a property tax assessment on all houses in the area that covers for the city to maintain these common areas. Sure we pay for that, which is fair. The areas are maintained, they are open to all which is great, and there is no nasty HOA meddling in how people paint their houses or what flowers they plant or what car they buy. Best of all worlds.


The major problem I see in this group is that they have constructed a self-identity of being intelligent. This means that by being part of a Rationalist group, a person can claim to have insight into things that "the rest of the world doesn't understand."

Which, because (1) self-identifying as intelligent/insightful does not mean you are actually so; (2) you are following the "brain reprogramming" processes of some kind of comvincing leader; is a straight shot to NXIVM style apocalyptic cultism.


> Fewer robots, more humans

Exactly the opposite of what they should be funding..


Personally, I prefer more of both. You have to actually do things - as in, develop the engineering, test things, see what works and what doesn't - to advance the state of the art. We need robots for science, humans for engineering.


Why?


IMO, because robots can replace humans in dangerous and highly undesirable jobs, while increasing overall productivity.


Astronaut is NOT an undesirable job. Bringing people beyond the earth is kinda the whole point in fact.


Robots completely replacing humans cannot occur in a capitalist system without complete economic collapse.

If robots are developed to be able to perform the most undesirable jobs, then they will also be developed to perform the most desirable jobs. If humans don’t work, they have no money. Humans without money cannot buy things. Humans can’t buy things, companies can’t exist.


I too welcome the rise of the terminator and its fellow machine overlords


https://sabotagestudio.com/ near Quebec City, they made the amazing 2D JRPG Sea of Stars https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Stars

Very excellent takeoff of Chrono Trigger or Lufia 2 type SNES games. Truly exceptional.


Speaking personally as a JRPG fanatic, I've taken a look at the series a bunch of times on Steam, and there are so many obstacles to getting into it:

- where do I start? There's a dozen titles and no clear entry point

- supposedly the series' genre changed over time? So if you like it in one game it might be a different game in a sequel

- it looks weirdly unserious? Like much of the advertising focuses on doing bizarre side activities rather than any actual plot-driven message

- all this on top of having a very non-traditional environment for an RPG which already is a bit of a hurdle in messaging what the game will be like

It's just very unclear from the outside how to get started with this series, and what I'll get if I do pick one to try.


I think your read is right on the money. There is an overall plot to the games, but the reason to play is in all of the ridiculous side quests, which are decidedly not serious: "Help this naked guy who forgot his clothes", "Help this guy make baby formula", "Stop the roomba gone rogue", etc

The games are a mashup of genres, but it is only the latest one which leans so heavily into the RPG aspects. Prior installments are more "fist fight dudes" core gameplay.


Like a dragon is different than the rest of the series. It's turn based, focused on Ichiban, and it's meant to be ridiculous.

The main character essentially hallucinates that he's a character in dragon quest and the bad guys you encounter at first look normal but transform into "sujimon"/monsters during encounters.

The core gameplay is really fun, the writing is top notch (first like a dragon > infinite wealth tho), character classes/"jobs" picked out at an unemployment center are fun/funny, your "mage" is a homeless guy who summons pigeons to attack and uses a bottle of alcohol which he spews into a lighter to cast flames, and the mini games are just there if you want to play them and many are fun.


Just speaking of genres and starting points: if you're looking at the series from the perspective of wanting a JRPG (and here I'm assuming you mean that you want something turn-based), then you'd want to start with Yakuza: Like a Dragon, which is the first turn-based game in the series and one that introduces a new protagonist. The sequel, Infinite Wealth, is the same style of game.

Pretty much any other Yakuza game you're going to see will be more action-focused and have real-time battles, but still with RPG elements. Yakuza 0 is a commonly-suggested starting point for the action-based entries or the series as a whole; it's a prequel but one that still works well as a place to start.


I'm not sure you should generalize from your Toyota's reliability to Tesla. https://insideevs.com/news/731559/tesla-least-reliable-used-...


Yet Tesla market cap is four times that of Toyota's.

Unbelievable.

I had to stay out of TSLA after the first year or so because the valuation made no sense to me. Other than a FOMO / YOLO play like BTC.

I'm shocked that the valuation continues to remain so high after so many lies and mediocre results. Was the Cybertruck a success? There definitely are not a million Tesla robotaxis on the road as Elon suggested there would be by 2020.


P/E ratio says meme stock all over it. Private equity are pulling out. They are selling off to ETFs (who don't care) and bag holders.


Well, I heard Cathie Wood refer to Tesla as the largest AI project in the world. So if you think of it that way maybe the sky's the limit. She seems 100% certain that people will be earning money renting out their Teslas as robotaxis in the next few years. But it's a car company. Or not. Maybe. Whatever. I put it in the "too hard" pile.


I'm not saying this doesn't hold, but this includes every first-run first-model car from Tesla (5-10 years old cohort), and decade+ old refined models from every other brand.

Admittedly just a hunch, but I suspect the data for the more recent cohorts and Tesla models is much better than this data shows


Given the quality issues of their most recently released vehicle, a truck that makes the Ford Pinto look respectable, I'm skeptical


Cryptocurrency is so exhausting. How do people handle working in a market so full of scams?


It might be hard to believe, but on the inside, people like this are pretty easy to spot. Crypto people are weirdly bad at scamming, compared to other con artists, but because the amount of damage is so fast and liquidity so easy, incompetent people can do a lot of damage.

The scammers also the most vocal. Partially because they aren’t building something novel or valuable, and make up for it in marketing and flash. It’s also faster to build a con than to build a real product, so you see more of them

But yes. It is exhausting. Honest parties in the industry need to build against a large and growing negative reputation. It may be insurmountable. And the industry, generally, does nothing to punish these bad parties or self-regulate. The industry likely has to die, and be reborn after the token/blockchain era


This is a remarkable statement when Fellini and Kieślowski exist.


Yes, two directors exist, one who's been dead for 29 years, the other who's been dead for 32 years. I stand corrected then.


Look, this is a losing argument. It’s ok if you prefer stuff like Zemeckis (who I might add, made a lot of melodramatic films himself) over international films, but that doesn’t them objectively better or more watchable for everybody.

I’m just going to leave this random link here: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls003889355/


Look at all those top non-American films on that list:

1. Once Upon a Time in America

2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

3. The Great Dictator

4. Lord of the Rings

5. Chinatown

If there's one thing you can't associate Charlie Chaplin or Jack Nicholson with, it's Hollywood.

Number 9 on your list is famous non-Hollywood filmmaker Alfred Hitchcock.


> Look at all those top non-American films on that list:

That’s not a list of non-American films, it’s a list of non-American directors.

To answer what I assume is your every so snarkily delivered point: Yes, about a third of the directors on that list ended up successful in Hollywood. Does that mean international films are bad? Probably not! Does it maybe mean even Hollywood recognizes that there is a lot of international talent, and very good international films being made? Probably yes?


What’s the relevance of non-American directors?

Nicole Kidman and Chris Hemsworth, say, are as Hollywood as it gets.

Heck so is Salma Hayek.

The point is that intl can’t compete with Hollywood because Hollywood is widely appealing and relatively very good.

It doesn’t matter that Alfred Hitchcock became a naturalized US citizen.


I hoped you were trolling but now I doubt it.


Not trolling. Having lived in many countries and had the TV on, this happens to be my unpopular opinion.

American movies are popular globally not because they're American but because they're so damn watchable/enjoyable/varied.

Granted that becomes less true every year, since Hollywood appears to be broken. Other countries haven't figured out how to pick up the slack though. 1994 Hollywood will likely never come again.


With much love for my angel investors, angel investing is absolutely a mug's game.

If the company doesn't get off the ground (vast majority of investments) you lose all your money.

If the company does get off the ground, you are the lowest on the pref stack, and you have no ability to follow on to protect your position. You're not a contributing employee or meaningful future source of capital so your piece of the pie is just dead weight on the cap table. This means every single subsequent investor (and the founders, if they care more about money than their relationship with you) has an incentive to cram you down.

So net net the chances of success from passive angel investing are only slightly better than playing the lottery.

Best approach would be to make very few investments, where you're able to build a special relationship with the founder, and ideally get a board seat to defend your stake.

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Edit - to be clear, I don't think startups should be giving board seats to angel investors. It does happen in exceptional cases where the angel is uniquely valuable to the company, and those are the cases where the angel can defend themselves. But they are rare, which is why it's mainly a bad game to play.


>Best approach would be to make very few investments

Top VCs—who see the best deals and run deep diligence—still only have a 1–5% hit rate. As an angel, you don’t have that level of access or time. Even if you get strong referrals, you’d need to be 10–15x better than elite VCs to pick winners in a small portfolio. Unless you’re investing in at least 10 companies, it’s statistically a losing game.

My experience: I invested in ~200 companies early stage (with some winners like HuggingFace, Checkr & more).


"...and run deep diligence"

I've not seen that much but what I've seen is "Let's ask a few buddies and google a bit".

The takeaway that I agree with is the parent's and OP's point that you will need to invest in a lot of companies, perhaps 30-50, and you will nee to be in for the long term.


    > with some winners like HuggingFace
Is HuggingFace public or acquired? I checked Wiki. It still looks pre-IPO/un-acquired. So, how exactly is this investment a "winner"?


It might not have paid back the initial investment, but the company isn't bankrupt, and you've heard of it.

By the standards of people who invest in 100 start-ups at once, that's success.


You don't need to sell your stake for it to be a winner. It's a winner because his stake in the company is worth significantly more than when he bought it.


Plus the bragging rights: a lot of the angel and VC buzz seems to be about playing for status (versus playing for money).

You see this with celebrities investing, and with the intro "I was an early investor in ____" brag.


A lot of angel investors are not investing particularly large sums, and a lot of what they're doing is buying someone that's going to use services other people they're connected to are selling.

When you're multiples are 10,000x revenue, a lot of people will shell out $10k to get you onto a few startup services...

That's the investment itself. Not getting paid back.


Can’t you just deploy 1/10th the capital and get the same hit rate?


What's your biggest motivation for doing angel investing?


Developing a network of people who do favors for each other and learning about other people’s businesses and industry. Angel investing usually isn’t that capital intensive, so it’s sometimes worth pursuing. I don’t do it to get rich.


At my last startup, I think our board and observers liked hanging out more than they liked talking about the company. It wasn't perfect, but it's their money so I wasn't going to complain.


As an angel you do have a few advantages over VCs. There is no pressure to invest a certain amount within a certain time frame, so you can wait as long as you like until something comes along you really like. You can also do very small tickets, whereas a VC cannot afford to waste time on small stuff.

But I agree making money should not be the focus. I like to think of it as a "giving back to society" hobby. I enjoy supporting entrepreneurs, society needs more of them. I enjoy talking with the other investors, most of them other entrepreneurs like me. By contrast, other people my age buy a boat or a Porsche, angel investing makes me feel more useful.

For reference: I've only made 6 investments as an angel over the last decade, mostly SaaS, one exited at 12x, one died, four are still going at various levels of success but all healthy. So making money is possible, even if it's not the goal.


I'm not sure I'm following how anyone can target the angel investors specifically? Aren't all common share holders have the same fate? So if they screw the common share holders, early employees will get the same treatment as the angels? (dilution for example impacts all share holders). I understand that key employees can receive extra shares along the way, but most probably don't in their first 4 years.


The way I've heard it is that later investors collude (descriptive, academic term, not value judgment) with founders via liquidation preferences, dilution, etc., and effectively wipe out all common shareholders (particularly employees) and all earlier rounds, and then give the founders some additional terms to compensate them specifically. How exactly that works, what they're giving the founders, and how this isn't hugely illegal are all details that I don't understand. I put a top-level comment asking exactly that.


That's exactly the approach. Seen many deals where the (remaining) founders get a big slice of new vesting options or reverse vesting shares as part of a recap or semi-distressed round.

Nothing illegal about it when the company needs the money, just one investor can write the terms they want, and the founders are on board with the plan.


I understand that, particularly in a down round, investors can push to get more. What I don't understand is what allows founders to get a side deal. It seems like that would go against fiduciary duty to common shareholders and earlier rounds.


It's because the investors still need the founders to run the business, usually.


More bluntly, why wouldn't/can't the other common shareholders sue?


Because then they'd be left with their original stake, but in a worthless, bankrupt company.


Sounds like leverage to me.


They are always free to give the worthless, bankrupt company they own more money, and thus avoid dilution.


But it sounds like the ford v dodge brothers cases that most abuse as an excuse for corporate profit maximization.

A company should not work to enrich some shareholders at the expense of others


Yea the founders also have majority common stock. So there's not a normal scenario where the founders and other investors get paid out in an exit, but the angels don't.

The bigger fear is a non-exit scenario, where the company becomes profitable, possibly pays out large investors to maintain the relationship, and founders just take massive salaries. So no liquidation event that benefits angel investors.


Yes, being an early employee is a sucker's game in much the same way as being an angel investor.


You can do a pay to play where anyone who can’t follow on at a certain price gets wiped out


Founders/employees can receive additional grants.


Isn’t angel investing more about networking and feeling like some elder statesman than about returns? That’s my impression anyway, as a non-angel.


This, and I'd add that one underrated upside of angel investing (and being LP of funds) is access to real, unfiltered information about the startup and the market. That's often far more insightful than the "everyone is crushing it" narrative you see in the media. In the article, the author mentions that she found other ways to get that info.


Is it a thing for angels to exit in the early rounds?

Instead of being shoved down the cap table by a giant tranche of series A preferred stock, might it not be appropriate to give the angel a payday instead?

I guess some angels want to keep their fingers in the pie? And, more likely, it’s just not a reasonable expectation to see an exit like that way before anyone else does?


It’s just the same thing as a take profit in the stock market. Intellectually it seems reasonable but because a lot of the bets go straight down (never raise another round for that take profit opportunity) you need a higher multiple of the ones that win.

You end up taking profit at a 1.1 return and in 10 years it ends up being uber.

Positive skew strategies (lose a little on a lot of bets and win big on a few) are impossible to use take profits on because you need those big winners.


Yea, I’ve seen cashing out the principal+next investment and letting the rest ride.


early exits probably won't get the type of return that an angel investor would be interested in monetarily, since you need more than fu-money to motivate them.


No Angel investor is looking to 2-3x their money.

That’s not why they do it.


Same author talks about Angel investors getting screwed by later rounds.

  Here’s an example of a portfolio company that not only converted angel investor ownership to common stock, but also drastically decreased the number of shares.

  I started asking for pro-rata side letters in 2017. But I recently found out (the hard way) that it’s common for follow-on investors to completely disregard any pro-rata rights of angel investors.
https://www.halletecco.com/blog/angel-investing-part-iii#:~:...

Perhaps also relevant:

  Founders, like entry-level workers, are closer to an option than a stock. There's a good chance that the payoff will be negative (in the sense that sometimes a company going to zero is a significant time-consuming process to investors). Someone who continuously buys out-of-the-money options will bleed money over time,
From: https://capitalgains.thediff.co/p/the-favor-trading-economy


Is it not reasonable to ask for a seat in every investment?


A general rule of thumb is that you have 3 board members at the seed (1 non-CEO founder, the CEO which is typically another founder, and the lead investor). So you have 1 seat available for investors, whereas you may take 5-20 checks. Not everyone is getting a seat.

At the A you usually expand to 5, adding the lead of the A round and an independent board member. Beyond that, it’s common for the earlier investors to get replaced on the board in future rounds and maintain observer rights.


What happens if your "lead" angels want to put money but not a board seat?


If you are taking truly no institutional capital, it's a party round -- and unless you have a repeat founder that knows exactly what they're doing (and often even then!), it's a huge red flag.



A board seat? Absolutely not, you’re a minor investor.

A pro rata opportunity? Maybe but why wrangle 50 angels when you can have 2 firms cover it?


You don't do 50 angels. They're in one SPV and you only work with the deal-lead (while getting investment from N investors)


Hopefully but not always


Too many investors, too few seats


Very few of the startups I’ve worked for have given board seats before Series B.


> So net net the chances of success from passive angel investing are only slightly better than playing the lottery.

Is this right? An organization running a lottery—their whole job is to run a lottery, they’ve staked their reputation on the fact that they pay out to winners. The one with a reputation to defend is the one paying out.

The company angel investor is dealing with a company that, ultimately, wants to either get into position to sell some service, or wants to get bought. Their raison d'etre isn’t being a reliable payer-out of winners. I’d expect the lottery to be much more honest.


> Is this right?

OP made an unbacked assertion and that can be ignored as such.


Eh, this is a site for chit-chatting, so I don’t expect perfect proofs generally. Assertions that are backed only by personal experience and hard-to-verify anecdotes are fine IMO.


> Eh, this is a site for chit-chatting, so I don’t expect perfect proofs generally. Assertions that are backed only by personal experience and hard-to-verify anecdotes are fine IMO.

Source? Footnotes?


Lol, right?

Getting away from the original posts, but: The reflex to ask for sources probably comes from a good place. But, it has become too immediate nowadays online, to the point where (in my opinion) it gets in the way of discussion.

The request for a source should generally include a note on how the fact being questioned will impact the overall argument. Friendly conversations shouldn’t become asymmetrical homework generating exercises.


At best it’s a stepping stone to a “real” VC job.

Take a couple years to learn how the industry works, make connections, maybe even get lucky with some bets. Then use all that to either start your own fund or get a job at a big Silicon Valley VC firm.


Way off. Angel investing is betting on people you know well enough.


Correct.

The best use of angel investing if anything is building a track record, for VC.


Hell, investing in general is a "mug"'s game (never heard this phrase before) if you go by per-capita return. It's the exceptionsl performers that make an outsized contribution to revenue that floats the whole boat.


I read the point as being that angels can't really afford to invest broadly enough to hit those exceptional performers.


>Four others that raised money but with painful recapitalizations that effectively wiped out early shareholders

I think its the recapitalizations that make the investments unfair. To buy a stake in a company then have it diluted by the bigger fish once a lot of the risk has been mitigated is BS if you ask me.


How come Peter thiel wasnt diluted in Facebook?


He was.

But it’s Facebook.


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