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The operative word should have been ‘operating’ income, which is revenue - operating expenses - cost of goods sold


very nice, enjoy listening to the beats. also good to see something come out of Clojure land after a while


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Nice short examples in simple language. Scrolling down does pollute the browser history though.


I use step-ca [0] for these sort of things and it works brilliantly. I barely see the point of having external DNS servers resolving your internal infrastructure.

[0] https://smallstep.com/certificates/


I thought about that but passed because I didn't feel like telling all my browsers to trust that new CA. Yes, that's incredibly lazy.

I bought a real domain name, told my UBNT USG that was the domain for my network, set up the dns servers to use digital ocean, used jetstack's cert-manager [0] to acquire the a wildcart cert using DNS01 instead of HTTP01, and use kubed [1] to synchronize the TLS cert across namespaces. One key thing to consider is that you really should ensure that you use the staging let's encrypt server to test out issuance and see your browser complain about warnings before you switch to production let's encrypt.

Honestly, I don't mind that the cert requests for my domain show up in a CT log.

[0] https://cert-manager.io/

[1] https://cert-manager.io/docs/faq/kubed/


I suppose a question for you would be how has your business supported clojure(script)? It seems to me to be a case of a business that has benefited from clojure - and wants to be invested in its future - doing something about it. It cost something to provide what you built your business on :)


A while ago I started to set aside an R&D budget that goes towards developers writing open source, specifically Clojure and ClojureScript libraries, and tools like magit or CIDER. The amounts are still small (this is not an enterprise business), but I'm increasing them regularly.

I want to see a stable, long-term ecosystem with maintainers that are getting paid for their work.


I am about to (next two or three months) launch a company/product that is heavily built on Clojure(script) too and I was actually thinking about this exact thing just this week! There are a number of libraries that I rely on that I would love to give back to, both as a thanks for the work so far, and to fund future development. I'm not in a position to do so yet, but its something I very strongly hope to do in the not-too-distant future, if things go generally well.


I founded operatr.io. Our product, static site, and licensing systems are entirely built in CLJ/CLJS. JVM, brower, lambda, etc.

Like JWR I feel there's absolutely zero chance we could have built this product as effectively in my previous primary JVM languages. Clojure is just a better toolset, no comparison.

We recently enquired with Github about sponsoring as an organisation (rather than me using my personal account) and have been added to the waitlist for the alpha of organisation-sponsoring. Once that starts we'll contribute financially to the developers in our space who enable our business.

Also as a habit I send personal emails to open source contributors simply to thank them in person.

Good luck with your launch!

P.s. I'm very excited for the team at Cognitect. It's hard to start a consultancy, hard to launch a product, there are no guarantees of success, and they deserve all of it.


Thanks for the insights and ideas! And for the well wishes :)


Be sure to let me know when you launch, I'd love to see what you've built. Good luck!


You could sign up at https://www.clojuriststogether.org/ They do a pretty good job sponsoring both new-ish and critical projects within the clojure ecosystem


Yes, I do plan to! Thanks for reminding me. I do want to look into contributing to a few specific projects that I rely on too, though. Or at least look into hiring the authors for a contracting gig (at least one author of well known libraries does this). I’m not yet financially in a position to do this, but I’m hopeful.


I think even small contributions make a lot of sense, especially if you gradually increase them over time. This is not to gain fame, it's to contribute and support sustainable development. My contributions are spread thin and the amounts sometimes look silly ($5 or $10 per month for a developer), but I believe they do make a difference and I intend to slowly increase them all as finances allow.

I'd suggest looking at Clojurists Together, Github Sponsors and direct sponsorships through PayPal subscriptions.

I look at it as an R&D expenditure (and it goes into my financials as such).


I simply disable JavaScript. Only when I’m on a page that I think I really need JavaScript capabilities to I open it in another browser that has JS enabled. Of course some in the latter category do nasty stuff but only those I explicitly allow get to run JS with Adblock enabled.


What does foreign mean to Facebook? I had assumed that Facebook sees itself as some transnational entity. Unless this is about picking winner states.


It is their platform, right? I’d assume they are within their rights to determine how Information flows within it. Obviously they’d want it to be in a way that positively impacts their bottom line. If the ability to reach people on their platform through pages is valuable, then i should not be surprised if they want those who use it to pay for it.


That's going to become increasingly the debate, as with Google.

You're starting to see more and more arguments in the media, in Washington DC, among anti-trust and anti-corporate power groups, that these platforms should be treated more like utilities. Given the culture at the moment, I'd expect those arguments to get a lot louder yet.

The platforms are responding predictably:

"Tech Pours Millions Into Lobbying While Pressure Mounts in Washington"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-20/tech-pour...


Is there a proposal of what "like a utility" would look like for social media platforms?


You may need to contextualise your statement. Empathy in what sense? There is a nonzero chance the falsely accused might actually get thrown in jail, not to talk about the potentially immense reputational damage that may be difficult to repair. I'm not really sure what you are getting at with your pitch.


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