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mvspace.com was a really good phishing site back in the day when MySpace was an actual thing.


> Does go have a bad security reputation?

Depends on who's behind the keyboard.


Reminds me of when SQL injection was the hot security problem, which was mainly caused by PHP, but not the language itself but reams and reams on low quality online tutorials trying to keep things simple by just concatenating GET parameters straight into an SQL query.


It looks awesome. I am definitely going to purchase a 14" Lunar Lake laptop from either Asus (Zenbook S14) or Lenovo (Yoga Slim). I really like my 14" MBP form factor and these look like they would be great for running Linux.


I constantly get graphical glitches on my Zenbook Duo 2024. Would recommend against going Intel if you want to use Linux.


Intel has historically been pretty great at Linux support. Especially for peripherals like WiFi cards and GPUs.


Their "PCIe" wifi cards "mysteriously" not working in anything but Intel systems is enraging.

I bought a wifi7 card & tried it in a bunch of non-Intel systems, straight up didn't work. Bought a wifi6 card and it sort of works, ish, but I have to reload the wifi module and sometimes it just dies. (And no these are not cnvio parts).

I think Intel has a great amazing legacy & does super things. Usually their driver support is amazing. But these wifi cards have been utterly enraging & far below what's acceptable in the PC world; they are not fit to be called PCIe devices.

Something about wifi really brings out the worst in companies. :/


> not fit to be called PCIe devices

They might be CNVi in M.2 form factor, with the rest of the "wifi card" inside the Intel SoC.

  In CNVi, the network adapter's large and usually expensive functional blocks (MAC components, memory, processor and associated logic/firmware) are moved inside the CPU and chipset (Platform Controller Hub). Only the signal processor, analog and Radio frequency (RF) functions are left on an external upgradeable CRF (Companion RF) module which, as of 2019 comes in M.2 form factor.
Wifi7 has 3-D radar features for gestures, heartbeat, keystrokes and human activity recognition, which requires the NPU inside Intel SoC. The M.2 card is only a subset.


> Wifi7 has 3-D radar features for gestures, heartbeat, keystrokes and human activity recognition, which requires the NPU inside Intel SoC. The M.2 card is only a subset.

Source? Google turned up nothing.


Sounds like some LLM hallucination to me.

EDIT: Right after that I found another HN comment [0] by the same user (through a google search!)!

[-1] Interesting IEEE rfc email thread on related to preamble puncturing

misc (I have not yet read these through beyond the abstracts): A preprint in ArXiV related to the proposed spec [1] A paper in IEEE Xplore on 802.11bf [2] NIST publication on 802.11bf [3] (basically [2] but on NIST)

[-1] https://www.ieee802.org/11/email/stds-802-11-tgbe/msg00711.h... [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38811036 [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2207.04859 [2] https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10467185 [3] https://www.nist.gov/publications/ieee-80211bf-enabling-wide...


The part about the supposed features of WiFi 7 looks like a hallucination or perhaps only a misinterpretation of proposed features.

How to do the actual sensing functions does not belong in a communication standard. What has been proposed, but I do not think that the standard amendment has been finalized, is to make some changes in the signals transmitted by WiFi stations, which would enable those desiring to implement sensing functions with the WiFi equipment to do that, without interfering with the normal communication functions.

So if Intel would create some program for Lunar Lake CPUs, possibly using the internal NPU, for purposes like detecting the room occupancy, that application would not be covered by the WiFi standard, the standard will just enable the creation of such applications and such an application would be equally implementable with any PCIe WiFi card conforming to the new standard, not only with an Intel CNVi card, whicd uses an internal WiFi controller.

However it is correct that there are 2 kinds of Intel WiFi cards that look the same (but they have different part numbers, e.g. AX200 for PCIe and AX201 for CNVi), but one kind of cards are standard PCIe cards that work in any computer, while the other kind of cards (CNVi) works only when connected to compatible Intel laptop CPUs.


> Even if it is possible to implement such features

It has been possible for years with custom firmware, search "device free wireless sensing" in Google Scholar.

> they would not be incorporated in a communication standard at this time.

One would hope so, right?

https://www.technologyreview.com/2024/02/27/1088154/wifi-sen...

  When the new standard comes out in 2025, it will allow “every Wi-Fi device to easily and reliably extract the signal measurements,” Yang says. That alone should help get more Wi-Fi sensing products on the market. “It will be explosive,” Liu believes.. cases imagined by the committee include counting and finding people in homes or in stores, detecting children left in the back seats of cars, and identifying gestures, along with long-­standing goals like detecting falls, heart rates, and respiration.

  Wi-Fi 7, which rolls out this year, will open up an extra band of radio frequencies for new Wi-Fi devices to use, which means more channel state information for algorithms to play with. It also adds support for more tiny antennas on each Wi-Fi device, which should help algorithms triangulate positions more accurately. With Wi-Fi 7, Yang says, “the sensing capability can improve by one order of magnitude..”

  WiGig already allows Wi-Fi devices to operate in the millimeter-wave space used by radar chips like the one in the Google Nest.. [use cases include] reidentifying known faces or bodies, identifying drowsy drivers, building 3D maps of objects in rooms, or sensing sneeze intensity (the task group, after all, convened in 2020).. There is one area that the IEEE is not working on, at least not directly: privacy and security.
In advance of the IEEE 802.11bf standard, Intel implemented presence detection with WiFi 6E starting with 2023 Meteor Lake sensors and NPU, https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/content-details/7651...

   Intel Wi-Fi can intelligently sense when to lock or wake your laptop
   Walk Away Lock: Wi-Fi senses your departure & locks the PC in seconds
   Wake on Approach: Wi-Fi senses your return & wakes the PC in seconds
Intel Labs 2023 PoC demo of breathing detection, https://community.intel.com/t5/Blogs/Tech-Innovation/Client/...

  The solution detects the rhythmic change in CSI due to chest movement during breathing. It then uses that information to detect the presence of a person near a device, even if the person is sitting silently without moving. The respiration rates gathered by this technology could play an important role in stress detection and other wellness applications.
> such an application would be equally implementable with any PCIe WiFi card conforming to the new standard

Yes, this would be possible on AMD, Qualcomm and other "AI" PCs.

Some Arm SoCs include NPUs that could be used by routers and other devices for WiFi sensing applications.

> looks like a hallucination or perhaps only a misinterpretation of proposed features

Is there a good term for reality conflicting with claims of hallucination and misinterpretation?


> Is there a good term for reality conflicting with claims of hallucination and misinterpretation?

I can't think of a good one yet, I'm sure a year from now there will be one commonly used.

What triggered the assumption on my end (not the comment you're replying to) was your statement "Wifi7 has 3-D radar features for gestures, heartbeat, keystrokes and human activity recognition, which requires the NPU inside Intel SoC. The M.2 card is only a subset." - I initially couldn't find any good references, because Google was so filled with ChatGPT'd SEO spam (notable a bunch of circular references citing a Medium article, itself obviously LLM'd).

Apologies for my mistake there. You seem to know quite a bit about the subject. I'm definitely constantly on-guard with any claims these days, especially ones that have potentially terrifying implications, without a primary source.


Thanks for the response. Web search has sadly deteriorated.

Here are some recent HN threads on through-wall 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi Sensing with CSI radar and IEEE 802.11bf:

Surveilling the masses with wi-fi-based positioning systems (2024), 140 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40492234

The spies in your home: How WiFi companies monitor your private life (2024), 40 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41272294

Wild new Wi-Fi routers turn your home network into a security radar (2024), 40 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40897828

Inside a $1 radar motion sensor (2024), 100 comments, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40834349


> They might be CNVi in M.2 form factor, with the rest of the "wifi card" inside the Intel SoC.

Already answered:

> And no these are not cnvio parts

(Oops, CNVi not cnvio.)


Which model number(s) exhibited this behavior?


I get them also in my Lunar Lake NUC. Usually in the browser, and presents as missing/choppy text oddly enough. Annoying but not really a deal breaker. Hoping it sorts out in the next couple kernel updates.


Do you get weird checkerboard patterns as well?


Yep, but not as often. They seem to flash and disappear when I'm moving or resizing a window or something.


Give it some time. Probably needs updated drivers, intel and Linux have been rock solid for me too. If your hardware is really new it’s likely a kernel and time issue. 6.12 or 6.13 should have everything sorted.


Given the layoffs and the trajectory spiral I wouldn't be holding my breath for this.


I'm really curious about how well they run Linux. e.g. will the NPU work under Linux in the same way it does on Windows? Or does it require specific drivers? Same with the batter life - if there a Windows-specific driver that helps with this, or can we expect the same under Linux?


You can look at the NPU software stack here:

https://github.com/intel/linux-npu-driver/blob/main/docs/ove...

The Linux driver is specific to Linux, but the software on top of that like oneAPI and OpenVINO are cross platform I think.



I’d wait for LG honestly


> We however found that our co-working space - WeWork has an excellent server hosting solution. We could put the servers on the same floor as our office and they would provide redundant power supply, cooling and internet connection. This entire package is available at a much cheaper rate and we immediately jumped on this. Right now all servers are securely running in our office.

Nice! How much does this cost?


$40 per server per month. Includes bandwidth, cooling and internet.


What connection deal do you get for that? Does it have uninterruptible power supply?


Yes, UPS + 2 independent power lines. Our server has a dual power input PSU. If either power fails, the other one keeps it running.


Thanks for your answer. That sounds good on power.

My first "connection" question was about Internet connection though.

Can you get e.g. 10 Gbit/s, and is there a traffic limit?


How bout compliance concerns? SOC and some of those are going to want to see super sophisticated datacenter ops/security/etc


Sounds like a bargain.

Any idea how long your servers will last until you need to upgrade to the latest GPU/HW?


3 years is what we planned. Any extra time we get will be a plus.


There are card-sized SBCs with the Intel N100. Very cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41007348


I’ll be posting my review of that in a few hours…


Please, please, please, can you run a memory benchmark? Would be great to see how it compares against the rest: https://openbenchmarking.org/result/2404119-TJ-2404112NE14&g...


I can give it a go. Review is linked from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41145937



Ah thank you! That's actually quite a bit lower than I would've expected. Especially how it lags behind the rest in write perf.

Also found this geerling review [0] today (which mentions yours as well) which does list slightly higher numbers but he notes that he used actual thermal paste to get better cooling with that gaping heatsink box, which seems to have helped on at least a few fronts. If your cooling theory about the G2 holds, then the memory might be overheating on the X4.

[0] https://github.com/geerlingguy/sbc-reviews/issues/48


There wasn’t any easy way to cool the RAM itself - in fact, I wouldn’t try to cool it using the same heatsink since the CPU would likely transfer heat to the RAM.

I suspect this is just a matter of timing tweaks in the BIOS.


Yeah it does have the 2242 slot, but anything larger won't fit, nor will PCIe risers.

That aside, it does have some impressive specs (twin ufl ports for external wifi antennas are dope), even though the LPDDR5 is bottlenecked by a dumb 32 bit bus. I was looking to buy one the other day but it's currently out of stock everywhere and the 12/16 GB versions that would be most interesting are nowhere to be seen, so for now it's not really something anyone can buy.


It's actually only a 2230 slot which is a little disappointing.


The current Model Y in production is known to have significantly better suspension than Model Ys produced 2020-2022. If you have an older Model Y, you can upgrade the suspension (cost about $2k with installation).


Mine's a 2022.. I'll look into that, thanks.


I came across this which fits an Intel N100 in your pocket: https://store.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-s100



Shows 2U in order to fit 32 drives, but hopefully you can find a 2U slot for this absolute monster of a storage box if you have that need.


This one is 1U and supports dual socket CPU and 6 TB RAM:

https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/system/1U/1029/SSG-10...

I've never done procurement so can't really speak to recommendations. I just see that the products apparently exist.

There's also 32 drive 1U JBOF enclosures for more expansion:

https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/system/1u/136/ssg-136...


I've been using the Waterdrop G3 system in my kitchen and it's been great. https://www.amazon.com/Waterdrop-Reverse-Filtration-Reductio...


During my first job out of college, I was assigned to maintain an ancient Windows codebase. A few different groups of people had been assigned to maintain this specific website and the people responsible before me had hardcoded secrets in the compiled executables but had excluded them from the source code. My experience using hex editors from tinkering with old video games (Diablo 2) gave me the skills to extract the secrets for work.


Kids fire up IDA Pro to do that now. Wild


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