I think you are unnecessarily making this political. Even if India was successful at landing i dont think the government would count it as 'their' achievement rather would be counted as an achievement of the whole nation. And even 'non-blind' followers would celebrate, given how everyone were on edge of their seats yesterday. Also no one is bashing Nehru because he started ISRO.
Calling the moon landing a government PR gimmick is highly irrespectful to the scientists behind this.
> I think you are unnecessarily making this political
GP is just highlighting that India's ruling party made this unnecessarily political. I'm not sure why it's being downvoted when it's factually accurate and is interesting in the context of the discussion. This is exactly the same thing that was going on in the Soviet Union where space project schedules were dictated by key party dates and celebrations. Not sure if it was a factor here, but multiple Soviet missions suffered due to being pushed to meet politically motivated party deadlines.
Most of the science is indeed onboard the orbiter. The mission was a success for the scientists.
> GP is just highlighting that India's ruling party made this unnecessarily political. I'm not sure why it's being downvoted when it's factually accurate and is interesting in the context of the discussion.
Could you share some citations to justify your comment? There is no evidence out there that Chandrayaan was politicized by the Government. ISRO is funded by the Government and Department of Space directly comes under the PM. So, there is bound to be some Government/Minister presence.
You are telling me ISRO spent no resources catering to this visit. Even 0.1% of resources, mindshare and energy wasted on landing day is stupid IMO. Do all speeches, visits the next day. Modi was clearly there for a photo op.
The assumption GP made is that government deliberately planned their 100 days in office and the moon landing date to coincide. But the actual date of mission was different and was posponded last minute(literally) because of a leakage. So if the ruling party (ruling for past 5 years) really wanted the dates to coincide they would have easily scheduled the initial date to coincide.
So there is no 'factual' correctness in the comment. And adding political angle and then comparing India to Soviet based on that is unnecessary.
> Also no one is bashing Nehru because he started ISRO
Respectfully, you are not right. Just go down this thread and you'll find one comment which says "Just because Nehru did one thing right doesn't absolve his wrongs"
There has been a coordinated attempt to distort history and malign Nehru. Not claiming that he did not screw up, he did. But he doesn't get credit due to the misinformation campaign
The thing was on its way to the Moon already by that time. The mission has been a long time making, it's pretty disrespectful to the effort of all the scientists to limit it to just distraction from Kashmir. Especially since it isn't as if showing an interest in space is a first for Modi.
Modi’s been in power for years. This is an initiative started while he was in office.
My point isn’t that it’s a distraction, but that it’s also about building party power.
Kashmir is just the brightest, clearest signal regarding the goals of his administration.
Edit: While the push to complete it came in 2015, it was (see poster below) in the works as far back as 2007, and I was mistaken to think it’s directly attributable to Modi.
Chandrayaan 2 was approved in 2008 by the UPA government of Manmohan Singh. The mission was planned for 2012-13, with Russia to provide the lander. Russian delays forced ISRO to start development on its own lander in 2015.
It's just lazy to lay every action at Modi's feet.
Reading a lot of nytimes or bbc editorial these days?
Do you have any idea about the history of Kashmir and how it is infested with Pakistan trained terrorists.?
Invade? Please for god sake read about India and Kashmir first before you reveal your ignorance here. Kashmir has a complex history. It was ALWAYS part of India but governed under a certain constitutional provision. The Indian Govt just revoked that provision.
I’m aware of the history of the region. Maybe erupting in fury about whether or not the armed occupation is an invasion isn’t the most productive debate.
This was no where close to how the Xi app is forced on the students. This was a single event where the PM talked about exams and stress which is an issue many students ans parents face, this was not a political event. Whereas ths Xi app is forced on ths students continously, shaming them if they object. And the app is filled with Xi and communist propaganda.
It's a stretch to say that it was not a political event. He makes blatantly political remarks during such interactions, such as:
> "I entered politics rather late. A lot of people are not able to accept it"
The inspirational stories he relates to children are based around how the BJP, his party, bounced back in his home state of Gujarat.
> He recalled how the Jana Sangh, the predecessor of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), lost all the seats in a Gujarat election. "They had 103 candidates. Whoever wanted to fight was given ticket. Out of 103, the security deposit of 99 was forfeited. "Four candidates survived. With their deposit money, they had a party and distributed sweets."
He also takes digs at opposition leaders by hinting that they are dyslexic (and implying that dyslexia entails mental retardation) when interacting with students who bring up dyslexia with him.
On top of this, the events are mandatory to attend. The punishment for not attending mandatory events in Indian schools goes beyond shaming. Students know they will lose every discretionary grade available to teachers if they push back.
In Signal you have an identity that's verifiable, and that's what their verify step does. The keys constantly ratchet, and you can even both reset them from scratch, identity verification isn't affected.
In Telegram you set up a separate encrypted chat and the secret keys for it can be visualised. But if you create a different chat any steps you took to verify the identity don't carry over.
The whole article is based on the fact that secret chats are not enabled by default. But i dont understand why that's a critical point, if you are so worried about privacy just start a secret chat. Also from what i can understand its a design decision telegram took. If the secret chats are always on then the private key needs to be transfered from device to device and on new devices,which is a security risk.
The points about the contacts is right though. Also i am a strict no for closed-source privacy app. Even though telegrams code is open, the repo is handedly very badly. With squashed commits pushed once in few months, issues disabled.
Xiomi phones are horrid in terms of privacy. Their MIUI sucks, constantly pestering me to use their app store. Privacy policy of their other stock apps like file manager, galary etc includes sending filename and other data to chineese servers. Not to mention some of their misterious 'analytics' apps always running in background.
Calling the moon landing a government PR gimmick is highly irrespectful to the scientists behind this.