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It's been time for a while, unfortunately.


Sorry, you must have misread Belleruches' post. He asked for examples where this has worked.

Last I heard the UK was a depressed shithole with a stagnant economy. Hardly a glorious example of the success of such policies.


Liberty means allowing people to make their own decisions about how they live and use their resources, as long as they're not infringing on the liberty of others. It's a universal concept, not just tied to your vilification of wealthy conservative people.

Thanks for the nasty stereotype though.


> Thanks for the nasty stereotype though.

Sure, anytime.


Since when did "liberal" mean someone who supports coercive redistribution by states?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism


Thanks for being one of the least insane and retarded people on this comment thread.


What?!? Suggesting people use their own money to support their own beliefs, rather than expecting the rest of society to pay up while they make no sacrifice?? Heretic!!


Yeah, and early vertebrate species in the Cambrian just swam around singing happy songs and smooching anemones all day while they enjoyed a universe free of those horrible constraints of energy and matter that nasty humans invented to oppress each other.

Get a fucking grip. Hunter gatherers lived in shitty conditions with unbelievably poor material wealth, and had no protections against disease, injury, starvation, attack by animals, attack by other humans, old age, death in childbirth, etc etc. Average lifespan was 20.


Oh, and you're also wrong about much of the rest of it as well. There is a reason that anthropologists consider farming "the worst mistake in human history":

http://www3.gettysburg.edu/~dperry/Class%20Readings%20Scanne...


All of which is entirely irrelevant to the question at hand.

Hard work came with farming. Before farming people worked very few hours.


Blisterpeanutes: "People who support blind charity should put their money where their mouth if they think it's such a great idea."

Yourapostasy: "Hey great idea, even better why don't we give them all the money they give back so they don't actually have to make a sacrifice at all for their beliefs!"


If you want a bifurcated benefits distribution program, where BI and "conventional" taxes exist side-by-side, to see which program is more effective in an open competition, then telling supporters of BI "you not only have to pay the taxes you already pay, but you also then pay beyond that for BI" would handicap the results in favor of the existing "conventional" taxation system. I personally think advocates of BI are committing the Soros reflexivity mistake, which pretty much most of the field of economics sins against as well. Without a near-free energy source, I doubt BI works over the long-haul. But that doesn't mean when someone advocates testing BI by telling supporters to dig into their pockets even deeper after they have paid taxes they currently are liable for, that I will idly stand by and let that pass for a fair challenge. Operationally, unless there is some strong way (like via DNA) to identify benefits recipients of one system over another to avoid double-dipping and similar negative externality behavior, I don't think side-by-side systems are actually feasible.


If people can improve their economic performance so much with just a small cash grant then, why haven't businesses jumped in on this apparently incredible opportunity? Seems like a great chance for businesses to make some money in tandem with people reaching their potential.

Naturally it would be much better for businesses to do this than the government. Businesses have much higher motivations to use their money wisely (i.e. give the right amount to the right people and create the right incentives to ensure people are motivated to use the funds wisely, go bankrupt or get sued by investors if they spend poorly) than a government (which just gets to shrug or inflate the currency or embark on a fresh round of vilifying productive citizens).

Oh wait, don't we already have that? Bank loans or something, I don't know, lol.


>Communism didn't work because they tried to micromanage every aspect of the economy.

No, sorry, you're completely wrong. Communism didn't work because it destroyed every incentive for industrious, honest labour, supplanting healthy competitive free-market economics with a landscape of scheming and parasitism as people scrambled to exploit one another.

Communism failed (and will fail every single time another stupid generation which hasn't even bothered to pay attention to the past implements its ideas again) because, under Communism, there is no economy.

Communism is a terrible, terrible idea. Just like all coercive redistribution, which, proportional to the degree of redistribution, destroys economic growth. It's no accident that, other than a handful of tight-knit low-population nation cum communities with large oil stakes, the number of socialist policies enacted by a legislature correlates directly with poor economic performance.

The tragedy is that populations suffering from the negative effects of these policies delude themselves into thinking that an expansion of the policies will fix their woes, rather than hard work and smart investment. It's a vicious circle.


I look forward to the day when this ideology goes the way of Communism.


Great, I look forward to the day when you read The Gulag Archipelago and a first-year economics textbook and realise that you're talking out your ass. Maybe throw in some Hayek while you're at it. Good luck!


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