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sure but after 3-5 generations it works out, like with farming and weaving. just gotta wait longer!

If only this was a game of Victoria 3

I kinda expect nursing and people paid to give attention to the elderly to be the last job standing. very hard to replace or automate

Paid by whom? That's the problem. The people with money won't be willing to pay more taxes to fund workers to care for a growing indigent elderly population. It's already causing shortages today and will only get worse.

People are pretty skeptical that discord will actually delete it (because they had a data breach showing a lot of undeleted face scans and id pictures already) or that their partner organization who does the validation won't just save it instead.

Also I don't really think this solves the grooming issue - it stops them from going in certain channels or getting pictures from non friends but an adult who wants to get past that to get to kids probably will. You'd really want like "teen only" servers with verification going the other way, if anything. I've never seen that proposed oddly


If you have to create a new password / answer an authentication check for every server you join that's a ton more friction than discord already.

Yeah but that's exactly what email doesn't do, right? Create account, send email to anyone on any server is the use case it was invented to solve. There are tons of issues with frictionless here if you don't want spam, obviously.

Most users only need 20 percent or so of your features, but among a large enough group of users they all want a different 20 percent so it kinda adds up. Or so the old saying goes.

I think this will be a pretty similar case because discord straddles "small personal servers with ten friends" and "large official servers with 500 users for a particular game" and "tech support forum for an open source project", and one user might be in all of those servers pretty easily.


This is the real issue, and it's why just cancelling your discord subs and moving to stoat or etc isn't a solid long-term strategy. If KOSA passes in the us basically every platform will have to do something like this.

Multi-billion dollar corporations have never had any problems lobbying for their interests before.

Perhaps collecting everyone's messages, social links, scanning their faces, and then adding ID data in for "ground truth" is the real interest here?


They were already collecting everyone's messages and social links, and would still be doing it without this. But I'm not sure if the age verification / ID collection is really as useful for advertising compared to just being able to read all of your chats, right?

That's a big if. And yes, if push comes to shove I guess I'll become a forum pirate. I won't tie my real ID up in anymore private servers than absolutely necessary (which as of now is governmental entities and banks, a highly regulated sector).

I don't think it's that big of an if anymore - there's worldwide pressure and interest groups to get some kind of age check on all these companies, at least. Keep some alternate contacts for friends at least

There's always been pressure. People have been fighting for decades on this. The only thing that's changed is how they've tried to disenfranchise dissent.

There still is push back, so I won't say this is a losing battle. I'll keep fighting regardless.

>Keep some alternate contacts for friends at least

They know where to reach me. Whether they care enough to go outside their gardens to talk is another matter.


I think those kind of texts (school papers, marketing fluff, linkedin influencers trying to look smart) just influenced the dataset a lot.

Too bad we didn't have more laconic, interesting books to feed in?


How would you keep controls - safety restrictions - Ip restrictions etc with that, though? the companies selling models right now probably want to keep those fairly tight.

This is why I’m not sure most users actually want AGI. They want special purpose experts that are good at certain things with strictly controlled parameters.

I agree, the fundamental problem is we wouldn't be able to understand it ("AGI"). Therefore it's useless. Either useless or you let it go unleashed and it's useful. Either way you still don't understand it/can't predict it/it's dangerous/untrustworthy. But a constrained useful thing is great, but it fundamentally has to be constrained otherwise it doesn't make sense

The way I see it, we build technology to be what we are not and do what we can’t do or things we can do but better or faster.

An unpredictable fallible machine is useless to us because we have 7+ billion carbon based ones already.


I mean as long as you're not using it yourself you're not at any real risks, right? The ethos seems to be to just try things and not worry about failing or making mistakes. You should free yourself from the anxiety of those a little bit.

Think about the worst thing your project could do, and remind yourself you'd still be okay if that happened in the wild and people would probably forget about it soon anyway.


Skills are just more input to a language model, right?

That seems bad, but if you're also having your bot read unsanitized stuff like emails or websites I think there's a much larger problem with the security model


You are confused because the security flaws are so obvious it seems crazy that people would do this. It seems that many of us are experiencing the same perplexity when reading news about this.

"there are security flaws in the 'tell an llm with god perms to do arbitrary things hub'"

Is such an obvious statement it loses all relevant meaning to a conversation. It's a core axiom that no one needs stated.


No, skills are telling the model how to run a script to do something interesting. If you look at the skillshub the skills you download can include python scripts, bash scripts... i didn't look too much further after downloading a skill to get the gist of what they had done to wire everything up, but this is definitely not taking security into consideration

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