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Isn't 'the harness' essentially just prompting?

It's completely understandable that prompting in better/more efficient means would produce different results.


No, it's also a suite of tools beyond what's available in bash, tailored to context management.

No, I just think that timing wise it finally made it through everyone’s procurement process.

I think this shows an unfettered optimism for things we don't know anything about. Many see this as a red flag for the quality of opinions.

> R1 is definitely an upgraded replacement for smartphones. It’s versatile and fulfills all everyday requirements, with an interaction style akin to talking to a human.

You seemed pretty certain about how the product worked!


No, he seemed pretty certain about how they demoed it.

We're allowed to have opinions about promises that turn out not to be true.

If the rabbit had been what it claimed it would be, it would have been an obvious upgrade for me, at least.

I just want a voice-first interface.


In 2024 we should not be taking companies claims of what products do at face value. We should judge the thing that ships.

The most charitable thing you can say about this is they're naive, ignorant of the history of vapourware 'demoed' at trade shows.


Honestly, 'malware' is just the beginning it's combining prompt injection with access to sensitive systems and write access to 'the internet' is the part that scares me about this.

I never want to be one wayward email away from an AI tool dumping my company's entire slack history into a public github issue.


I think the point is doubting whether it is ever possible for Waymo to ever be as fast or cheap as public transport in NYC.

By various definitions of most people, most people do want to use public transit.

It's just that Cars have rotted the American mind so much that to consider anything else is sacrilege.


This is extremely derogatory to people who's opinions you don't agree with.

See Github, which doesn't have display advertising.

Let’s take a step back and remove AI generation from the conversation for a moment.

Did X do enough to prevent its website being used to distribute illegal content - consensual sexual material of both adults and children?

Now reintroduce AI generation, where X plays a more active role in facilitating the creation of that illegal content.


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The law is concrete on this.

In the UK, you must take "reasonable" steps to remove illegal content.

This normally means some basic detection (ie fingerprinting which is widely used from a collaborative database) or if a user is consistently uploading said stuff, banning them.

Allowing a service that you run to continue to generate said illegal content, even after you publicly admit that you know its wrong, is not reasonable.


that doesn't sound concrete to me, at all

Nothing in common law is "concrete", thats kinda the point of it.

Judges can evolve and interpret as they see fit, and this evolution is case law.

This is why in the US the supreme court can effectively change the law by issuing a binding ruling. (see 2nd amendment meaning no gun laws, rather than as written, or the recent racial profiling issues)


No law is concrete. Murder is killing with intent to kill. What concrete test shows if someone intended to kill? They say you have intent to kill if a reasonable person would expect the actions you took would result in killing.

It's about as concrete as one gets in the UK/US/Anglosphere law tradition.

if you can be sued for billions because some overbearing body, with a very different ideology to yours, can deem your moderation/censorship rules to be "unreasonable" then what you do is err on the side of caution and allow nearly nothing

this is not compatible with that line of business - perhaps one of the reasons nothing is done in Europe these days


> this is not compatible with that line of business - perhaps one of the reasons nothing is done in Europe these days

Except for 40% of all Big Tech products and a vast industrial network of companies, and the safe airplane building and decent financial services that don't take 3% of everything, then yeah, I guess nothing is done in Europe these days.

And wait, wasn't most of Google's AI stuff acquired from a European country?

Honestly, while Europe has a lot of problems, this notion that many US people have that literally nothing happens there is wildly off-base.



Sigh.

Like, this is a function of fragmented capital markets rather than anything else. Ryanair would 100% have a market cap of 50bn+ if it had a US listing.

Anyway, market cap is a really really bad metric for basically anything. Like Walmart has a market cap of over 1tn now, do you think its business has materially changed since 2021 (when it was half that)?

Meta has basically doubled since then, and again, their business is basically the same as it was 5 years ago.

As another example, Stripe is valued at about 100bn, while both OpenAI and Anthropic are 3.5-5x that. Which ones would you rather put your money in?

If we were to look at income mobility the numbers look much more different: https://slowrevealgraphs.com/2024/01/13/income-mobility-acro...

(apologies I figured the OECD would have better data but this was the best I could find).

So, on average it would take a low-income person half the time to become upper income in Denmark versus the US. Is this a better metric? Certainly for a low income person with unlimited mobility options.


They advertised you could use the tool to undress people, that's pretty clearly on the unreasonable side of the line

sigh

The vast majority of the EU is not common law, so "reasonable" in this instance is different.

What you describe already happens in the USA, that why MLB has that weird local TV blackout, why bad actors use copyright to take down content they don't like.

The reason why its so easy to do that is because companies must reasonably comply with copyright holder's requests.

Its the same with CSAM, distributing it doesn't have first amendment protection, knowingly distributing it is illegal. All reasonable steps should be taken to detect and remove CSAM from your systems to qualify for safe harbour.


sigh indeed

> Its the same with CSAM, distributing it doesn't have first amendment protection, knowingly distributing it is illegal. All reasonable steps should be taken to detect and remove CSAM from your systems to qualify for safe harbour.

nice try, but nobody is distributing or hosting CSAM in the current conversation

people trying to trick a bot to post bikini pictures of preteens and blaming the platform for it is a ridiculous stretch to the concept of hosting CSAM, which really is a transparent attack to a perceived political opponent to push for a completely different model of the internet to the pre-existing one, a transition that is as obvious as is already advanced in Europe and most of the so-called Anglosphere

> The vast majority of the EU is not common law, so "reasonable" in this instance is different.

the vast majority of the EU is perhaps incompatible with any workable notion of free speech, so perhaps America will have to choose whether it's worth it to sanction them into submission, or cut them off at considerable economic loss

it's not a coincidence that next to nothing is built in Europe these days, the environment is one of fear and stifling regulation and if I were to actually release anything in either AI or social networks I'd do what most of my fellow Brits/Europoors do already, which is to either sell to America or flee this place before I get big enough to show up in the euro-borg's radar


> nice try, but nobody is distributing or hosting CSAM in the current conversation

multiple agencies (Ofcom, irish police IWF, and what ever the french regulator is) have detected CSAM.

You may disagree with that statement, but bear in mind the definition of CSAM in the UK is "depiction of a child" which means that if its of a child or entirely generated is not relevant. This was to stop people claiming that massive cache of child porn they had was photoshoped.

in the USA CSAM is equally vaguely defined, but the case law is different.

> EU is perhaps incompatible with any workable notion of free speech

I mean the ECHR definition is fairly robust. But given that first amendment protection has effectively ended in the USA (the president is currently threatening to take a comedian to court for making jokes, you know, like the twitter bomb threat person in the UK) its a bit rich really. The USA is not the bastion of free speech it once was.

> either sell to America or flee this place before I get big enough to show up in the euro-borg's radar

Mate, as someone whos sold a startup to the USA, its not about regulations its about cold hard fucking cash. All major companies comply with EU regs, and its not hard. they just bitch about them so that the USA doesn't put in basic data protection laws, so they can continue to be monopolies.


I would imagine the majority of Github engineers there currently joined post MS acquisition.

That doesn't necessarily mean they're happy about Azure as a backend.

I've been a software "engineer" for over 20 years, and my personal experience is that software engineers are basically never happy.

> personal experience is that software engineers are basically never happy.

Being happy means:

- you don't feel the need to automate more manual tasks (you lack laziness)

- you don't feel the need to make your system faster (you lack impatience)

- you don't feel the need to make your system better (you lack hubris)

So basically, happiness is a Sin.


I’ve used AWS for almost 20 years and I can tell you it’s more stable than Azure

I have zero doubts.

True enough. The world is never as predictable as the computers we program, and the computers we program are never as predictable as we feel they should be.

Plenty of happy engineers at the other cloud. :)

I presume you mean the Oracle cloud?

Nobody is happy with Oracle anything! It has some users because it is free. It has paid users because Larry Ellison bribed the government. Nobody would choose it voluntarily.

No, gcp. Was a happy customer for many years, now I work there.

A bunch less today than a year ago.

Autonomy, decent pay, non toxic environment and non bullshit job.

It isnt actually all that much but most devs who have all of these I've come across are happy.


Agreed. I've had this more often than not, and while every job has its little gripes, if I have those things the rest is well, just part of the job.

Isn’t the right thing to do is for “the company” to clarify the license it offers its software and code under?

I think we understand that random devs on GitHub aren’t the right ones to resolve it, but I find it hard to believe the correct response is for the company to do nothing.


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