Well, I was on his side until now.

Except they grew up their and the flora, fauna, etc... feels more like home.

People who move from California to Seattle complain constantly about how horrible the weather is, for example.

That's called "nurture", not "nature".

> I think that's a little unfair to characterize the Chinese government as uniquely nefarious

It's not at all. We can still criticize the US government for their actions.

You actually couldn't do that in China.

I'm not. I want no part of living under totalitarianism.

> a lot of younger Americans have adopted a sort of dark, distorted view of history that casts the US as a villainous entity

Or they have adopted a realistic view of history. The US has done loads of shitty things.

They have never had stalin like purges or a hitler like dictator.

An educated person, old or young, might look at Iran and be less likely to think "horrible regime hell bent on the destruction of Israel and the west" and more likely to think "huh, we probably shouldn't have fucked with their government decades ago".

Also that whole thing about voting being worth less for huge chunks of the country. Oh, and getting constantly screwed over by previous generations.

Being cynical doesn't make you naive.

The US plays a unique role in the world and has not played it perfectly, that's very true. But it is nowhere close to being the primary villain of the 20th century. I would indeed say you are naive to think so.

Every generation everywhere feels they've been "screwed over" by their parents, or their parents' parents. You lack perspective.

Sorry, are you saying "it's the cost of doing business"?

> It's really confounding to me that the younger generations seems to have such a hard time with this.

Oh look, more ageism on hacker news.

> Disagreement shouldn't lead to downvote

Actually PG said the opposite. I used to have the comment saved, but lost it in a format.

Anyway, people also downvote because they are sick of talking about this.

I'm surprised if PG did say that. If disagreement should lead to downvote, then unpopular opinions would not see the light of day.

Also, if one's sick of discussing a topic, s/he can simply don't read about or discuss it. Why prevent others from discussing it?

Things pg said about downvotes:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691

It's how HN has always worked, and in my opinion needs to. A site that cares about discussion quality needs those white blood cells.

Thanks for sharing the threads. I always think that downvoting is for discouraging bad arguments from DH0 to DH3 [1] (for discussion quality as you mentioned). Now I realize that even convincing arguments at DH6 can be downvoted as long as one disagrees with it.

[1] http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Yeah, amazing what can happen when you make an argument poorly and without thought to how your audience will react.

Oh but citations. Good for you, that's a good bit of research. Sure the facts seem cherry picked and don't necessarily support your conclusions. You also presented them in an entirely tone deaf manner, you seem to imply a number of negative things, you perpetuated stereotypes, and you didn't explore any possible alternative explanations, but you definitely cited some research papers. B+ for effort, F for execution.

F as in fired with cause.

Yikes. I’d regret having to be corporate legal counsel having to defend firing “for cause” in these political correctness scenarios to a jury of 12.

More like go directly to S as in seven figure settlement package.

EDIT: Direct reference to Google's incident.

We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the site guidelines. Would you please not create accounts to do this with?

I didn't. I created an account for discussion.

That's fine. But you need to use the site as intended. That means remaining scrupulously respectful of others, not using the site for flamewar or ideological battle, and the other things at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.