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Raspberry is not really cheap anymore. The start package (rp4 4gb + charger + sd + ethernet/hdmi cables) is 100 euros in my country.

Meanwhile you can get a GK3V mini pc on Aliexpress with a j4125, 8gb LPDDR4 and 256GB SSD for 180 euros, which probably has 3x-4x the performance of the pi.


The kits are always going to be marked up—and even more so today, since it's so hard to find individual Pis in stock anywhere.

Here in the US, the only way for many people to get a Pi 4 is in a kit that's at least $100 (sometimes scalped and marked up to $150-200 on Amazon or eBay). Until about 3 months ago, though, I could reliably find a model I wanted from Micro Center or one of the official Pi online resellers for $35-75 (list price).


Any reason why this is the case? Chip shortages? Backing up of imports?

I just noticed this the other day when looking to get a Pi 4 as a gift for my brother. It's crazy to think just a year or two ago I bought two at normal price, and now one can't find any individual boards anywhere really


Mostly the chip shortages—Raspberry Pi has pulled out all the stops but couldn't come anywhere close to meeting demand over 2021. And they even decided to focus production only on the BCM2711-based devices for the latter part of this year.

They posted a blog post with some detail behind what's going on: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/supply-chain-shortages-and-...


I’ve found this to be the case for most of the time Raspberry Pis have been around. The cost proposition has always relied on using other components people have “lying around”, like the power adapter, SD card, etc. However as the power quality requirements have gone up for each Pi release, old AC adapters can’t be used anymore, SD cards need to be better quality to handle the writes, and you want a case for it, etc. From my perspective you’ve always been looking at close to $100 to get everything you need for it to be useful.


That's quite a markup you're experiencing. A conversion based on US prices makes it seem like you should be able to get that stuff for a little more than sixty Euros. If you can get it at all: availability is tough right now all over, I assume.

Is that price difference about shipping costs or VAT or what?

> GK3V mini pc

That is a very cool looking thing, but targeting a different use case, I would think.


idk, maybe you get it a bit cheaper if you look around. This is from a offical store though: https://www.raspberrystore.nl/PrestaShop/complete-sets/245-r...


It's the rest of the kit that makes it expensive.

If you don't need all the parts, then you can shave some off.

https://www.kiwi-electronics.nl/nl/merk-raspberry-pi


I mean, at the very least you always need a charger and a sd card, the barebone price is kinda misleading


Not everyone has to buy that separately. For example, I have plenty of sd cards laying around. For the charger you are probably right due to the rpi not working with every usbc adapter, but that's 10 euros.

You selected the 4GB one, but if you select the 2GB or 1GB version things get cheaper too. I think they are great value for a very reasonable price.


I'd be interested if anyone can comment on commercial bulk procurement of Pis. Any idea what the volume discounts are? And also would be interesting to know what the supply has been like for the past year(s) for commercial customers.

I've heard anecdotally that most Pis sold are used in industry, so wouldn't be surprised if they're being prioritized.


I dont think they will, nothing prevents Apple pulling the same b.s than ms.


They'd see this as an alternate app store and that's a no-no for them.

OTOH, there is no shortage of games in the Mac app store. It just may not be the same titles you have on Steam.

Edit: I think I didn't understand the reason of the complaint.


On macOS, Apple doesn't mind other app stores. Steam is available there right now.


Apple is not even against other operating systems on Macs. Bootcamp has been a thing for a long time (and apparently they're not against ARM Bootcamp were it possible [1]) and recently marcan mentioned how Apple added something that wouldn't be helpful for Apple, but is helpful to the Asahi Linux project.

[1] https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/20/craig-federighi-on-wind...

[2] https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1471799568807636994


An OS is different from an application for selling, installing and running other applications.


That's pretty much literally what an OS is! An application that lets you install and run other applications.


I never imagined selling software would be a core function of an OS, but here we are.


You keep responding as if Steam is not a thing on MacOS, it is very much a thing and has been since steam launched.


I am aware it is. My comment is about app stores not being an integral part of an operating system. Or, at least, they didn’t use to be.

OTOH, Linux has had package management for decades.


Then I don't understand the complaint. Apple will be upset if the app store doesn't share revenue with them, however.


Steam doesn't share revenue with Apple on macOS. Neither does Fortnite or any Steam Mac games.


I don’t understand the complaint. Steam is available and Apple clearly is playing ball with them, so what’s wrong? Is that the Windows API translation layer isn’t done?


It will be interesting what Microsoft will do, at first glance they don't care about advertisement and allowing ad-block would bring a lot of users to their ecosystem. (they already have soft adblock out of the box)


That probably because their operating system is infested with advertisements and data exfiltration mechanisms. Why would they need the browser to do it too?


come to the powershell-side, we have ConvertFrom-Json


have you tried fullscreen mode? At least on vscode-server some shortcuts only work on that mode (probably using the browser Fullscreen API?)


best thing is that you dont own the antenna, so Amz will prob rent out the remaining capacity.


maybe because people on those countries are not idiots and they know they will be paid better if they move to northen countries?


hooks are amazing, wtf


To me, hooks allow to do class-based components without class. I do not exactly see the point. What is wrong with class-based components?


It is not cool


To Vue's credit, Evan has been absolutely up front and has made his rationale clear for why class based components were abandoned:

https://github.com/vuejs/rfcs/pull/17#issuecomment-494242121

You can't ask for more than that from someone who disagrees and is in control of the project. Also he's doing a pretty awesome job maintaining the project.


Isn't this conversation about React?


> What is wrong with class-based components?

The posted link contains a detailed breakdown written by Vue's creator of why Vue, a similar tool to React chose to de-emphasize class-based components in favor of the composition API (hooks).

I thought you might be able to find some clues to why people pick hooks over class-based components in there.


It is like questioning about backend using a spring boot in every single service even when it is only for a simple store and fetch json from mongoDB. If you have the know-how, why not? Jumping between Vanilla and React projects can be counterproductive. If things get more complex you are prepared, if not, nobody will mind.


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