That's fair and something I know will is a love/hate kind of thing. I think if you truly experience a conversation in this format, your opinion on the 'sensibility' of this approach would hopefully change, even if it's still something that's not for you.
That being said, we will have a feature soon where you can compose the entire message before sending it (the 'traditional' way).
Much more light-weight UI, no need for accounts, connection with the markdown editor underneath. More details about the product itself are here: https://kraa.io/about
This is reducing the role of Design as some lego-blocks assembling process. And higher quality being seen as adding ‘pizzazz’.
You are right, though. Many products don’t need more than that. But I fear that this will greatly impact design innovation and progress. We might get stuck in the current UI paradigm for a long time.
We can skip Web3... Web 4.0 is twilight gradients, glassmorphism, text size xs in tailwind, and cards and pills for every UI component. Along with self-explanatory help text acting as filler under every header.
It's no different to people trying to reduce the role of Programming to the same lego-block assembling process. And I believe the same conclusion follows.
Is "design innovation" a thing we really need? I'm not trying to be flippant, but every time I've come across an "innovative" design the only thing it's done is made me spend time learning whatever bespoke conventions the designer put in.
It's trying to be universal for any writing need, so purposefully not having a specific 'main' use case, but suitable for many – personal notes, blog posts, colab docs, chat, ...
Kraa Trees can be used for other non-chat use cases, like listing out chapters of a book or putting relevant documents together. Example: https://kraa.io/kraa/demos
For a loosely similar 'benchmark', I recently tried to test major LLMs on my coding game (models write code controlling their units in a 1v1 RTS) - https://yare.io/ai-arena
This seems to be comparing apples to oranges. The intent of the users inside ChatGPT and on the website would be vastly different. Comparing them doesn't make much sense sans other variables (= better understanding the intent)
For a European alternative to Google Docs / Notion, we made https://kraa.io/about that might work for you if all you need is a simple editor with collab features.
I'm guilty of this as well. https://kraa.io/about has some fade-in animation for the intro text – driven by wanting the initial impression to be focused/minimal and 'unravel' as you go. I take it that most HN folks would vastly prefer to NOT have this?
I’ll say as someone who suffers from severe motion sickness and the OP site makes me feel deeply uncomfortable, that your site does the fade in fast enough that it doesn’t give me any discomfort. Seems fine to me. Maybe I should consider being a consultant for vestibular motion sickness accessibility, haha. I’d get paid to answer “on a scale of 1-10, how pukey does this app make you feel?”
I think it looks fine except it's missing a more obvious hint that there's more to see when I scroll. The one that's there is just textual and very delayed.
Not sure if I second this or not. I did want to scroll, but I don't know how much of that was influenced from the context or the extreme minimalism making me want to look for more - I'm interested in how I would have reacted to the site not knowing it had scroll fade. I could see an argument with the "Don't Make Me Think" principle.
An old article, but imo still relevant and interesting. My favorite part:
> Life and work would be so easy if a lack of quality could be explained in a sentence, and fixed with a better technique. If an artifact lacks quality, it is not just one aspect that needs improvement and then it’s all good. Quality is not just the method, just the form, or just the content. The lack of quality doesn’t cumulate in a spot, it is fundamental...
That being said, we will have a feature soon where you can compose the entire message before sending it (the 'traditional' way).
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