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This seems like quite a stretch. Axios is run independently of Cox, but even if it wasn't -- I don't see why they would go to this length for an AI company whose models they use to give the world the Kelley blue book.

If founders (or VC's) feel comfortable working with someone who pled guilty to procuring a child for prostitution, they should go ahead. But they shouldn't then be surprised when people consider them a piece of shit.

It would take a fiasco for such a shake up to happen given how the last attempt went.

The former

Well, at least if usage explodes it won't look like such a bad idea.

That's a really big if.

I don't see the dependency on these productivity and communication tools as that difficult of a problem to solve.

They are going to have a much harder time weaning off American cloud infrastructure and on to something purely domestic.


Hardware is the biggest problem: PCs (CPUs, RAMs, GPUs), Cellphones, routers, etc.

Globalization appears to be self imploding by virtue of the current american president.

Now everybody realises you can trust no one.


we were over globalized. COVID showed us that when we couldnt even produce life saving medicines domestically. If the take away from world war 1 was too much nationalism, the take away from covid is, too much globalism.

Resilient cultures are by definition market inefficient.


What if there was a culture rooted in the ideology of an 'efficient market'?

I assume, then, that culture would be doomed to fail.


ScaleWay and OVH are already filling this gap.

StackIT is the AWS competitor actually, OVH is not really laid out to be a hyperscaler.

CleverCloud, Hetzner

I'm also trying Gcore and so far, apart for an intial problem with payments, has been good. It has a lot of services

Good luck with OVH. Most EU companies, including this one, offer subpar services compared to their American counterparts.

Even assuming this is true, EU cloud providers no longer have to compete with their American counterparts on an even footing thanks to the insanity coming out of the White House (and American society more generally). There's a very big push to get off of American providers, and many (though not all) customers are willing to make sacrifices to do so.

If providers like OVH play their cards right, they can use this sudden influx of cash to both scale up, and improve their offerings. There's a lot of money on the table right now.


I use AWS and OVH at work and this has not my experience.

AWS has more services, but a lot of those are of dubious quality. I'd love to never have to use redshift or EMR again for instance. OVH is more basic, but what it has tends to work at least.


> AWS has more services, but a lot of those are of dubious quality.

Being cynical AWS has more services because many of those are deliberately siloed in order to create a separate billing item, i.e.:

"You want to use AWS Foo ...great, welcome to AWS ! But unless you want to re-invent the wheel re-programming the standard workflow, you should really use AWS Bar and AWS Baz alongside it. Dontcha' like all the cute names we've given them ? Here are all the price sheets, don't forget to read the small print ... good luck figuring out how much it will cost you".


They are fine. Cloud is a commodity. Hetzner and Bunny are pretty great and i am sure there are many more.

The problem is when US decides to ban sales of compute hardware to EU (like they do to China). Then it will be clear who's really in power.


> Then it will be clear who's really in power.

If China closed the door overnight to the US, it would also be clear who's really in power.

The US simply does not have the capacity to replicate the manufacturing domestically.

Even if it were possible, "100% Made in the US" would end up costing at least 20–30% more.

And the US does not have a plan B. Sure there might be India .... one day....years away.


Oh I agree. China is clearly outplaying everyone. But EU surely doesn't want to replace one leash (US tech stack) with different leash (Chinese tech stack).

I keep wondering though. Is insane amount of compute really that crucial? Aren't most real computing needs served well with not so cutting edge tech? I am 5-10 years behind on most of my machines. Servers we have at work are very modest (and outdated) yet the software these servers power are still valuable. Maybe EU could run on some domestic RISC-V cheapo chips.


Well, then the EU can also ban the sale of ASML machines to US and anyone dealing with the US. Let's hope we won't get to that.

The US actually controls the distribution of those machines already, because they incorporate made-in-USA export controlled technology.

They still can't force a delivery to them, as many critical components are Made in Europe

That could end in an ugly stalemate pretty fast, considering ASML is Dutch.

There'll be a vacuum filled by non-US brands, China is learning and given they'll push to be independent eventually they'll compete with AMD/Intel/Nvidia, Europe has ARM.

The worst thing in the long-term for American hardware makers is for the US to block other countries to purchase from them and having that money invested in alternatives.


I think companies should just allocate raw computing and put agnostic stacks on top of it instead of using whatever shinny serverless G-Azurezon Serverless Function Lambda Cloud with NOTREDIS CACHE and LOCAL FLAVOR OF KUBERNETES plus the new OTEL-BUT-INVENTED-HERE monitoring solution.

I agree with Scaleway (I would more compare it to Digital Ocean) but OVH is really good and comparable.

My fingers always ache when I hear praise for the company that through its incompetence nearly lost me my company's domain name... twice. Shame on me for staying with them.

DigitalOcean is fantastic in my experience, way better than The Big Three, especially Azure.

Yes I know! Scaleway is great as well. But I was referring to the product portfolio.

I’ve used OVH for multiple projects and they’ve been wonderful to work with.

> Most EU companies, including this one, offer subpar services compared to their American counterparts

Not true.

But you know what the best thing about the EU companies is ?

Transparent pricing.

EU company: Yes, you really can accurately calculate to the nearest cent how much your compute instance will cost you and exactly what you are getting for that money. No surprises.

US company:Is that Compute Savings Plan, EC2 Savings Plan, On-Demand or Spot. What speed is my network "up to" ? And then of course the big "I DUNNO" in relation to "how many IOPS am I going to be charged for EBS disk transfer ?"

EU company: Of course we don't charge you for LIST etc. on S3. We only charge you for off-network GETs and the associated data transfer, on-network is free.

US company: What do you mean LIST etc. should be free ?

You know what else I like about the EU companies ?

At least two of them allow pay as you go from a reducing credit balance.

Yes that's right US companies. It IS possible to give your customers a way to 100% guarantee you will never have an "oops I just spent a million dollars overnight" moment.


AWS offers subpar services for their price too

sure, gotta start somewhere.

Jitsi meet exists for long time and it works. What is needed is eu sovereign clouds

They need to do both the hard things and the easy things, and do them in parallel.

Which they are.


Stop being reasonable!

Depends how hooked into the "cloud infrastructure" ecosystem they are. If it's a provider of vms which are easy to move from one provider to another that's one thing, if it's reliant on the latest cool aws thing that's another.

It isn't black and white.

Deploy trust circumstantially.


The increasing fraction of “zingy catchphrase” HN comments compared to actually nuanced takes is depressing. Feels like a horrible mix of Reddit and tumblr


Yeah we’re not supposed to talk about how “HN is turning into Reddit”, but it already has. For years now. A typical comment here has been indistinguishable from a typical Reddit comment for many years, with the exception that humor is a lot less common here (although even that has changed a ton.)

The argument is that “HN is turning into Reddit” has been said since the beginning of HN… but that doesn’t make it wrong. To me the transformation is already complete. Regression to the mean is unavoidable.


Its the inevitable result when you allow politics to enter a forum. It used to be posts that were overtly political were considered off-topic, but that has become more normalized. Hell ignoring this post, the top story right now is "American importers and consumers bear the cost of 2025 tariffs: analysis" which is just another political post masquerading. I wish we would just ban politics or maybe find a middle-ground like allowing overtly political posts one day a week. It's probably too late to save HN though, the community has already normalized these posts.


It's very cult like and no doubt a result of people unconsciously (or not) absorbing the endless spam of Bluesky screenshots (that always follow the mindless catchphrase/black and white logic pattern) you see on every other popular "social media" platform.


It’s not safe to trust someone implicitly because they have a uniform and/or a badge.


No it isn't black and white, but there sure isn't a whole lot of gray either.


Yeah. Part of why this is possible is simply that there are tons of subscription apps out there that were never really justified in requiring a recurring payment and are actually fairly trivial.

It used to be that you offer subscriptions only if there are ongoing costs, and a one-time payment if not (utilities, local, etc). SaaS kinda ruined that.

I'd welcome a boom in DIY vibe-coded utilities for personal use.


What I fear is a pollution of the open source space with tons of tailored apps that have a lot of overlap, but none of them get meaningful contributions because the maintainer will most likely respond with wontfix to almost everything (if they respond at all).


I build in the open, but what I build is just for me. If someone wants to fork it and modify it, they can go ahead - pretty much all of my stuff is MIT licensed by default.

But I'm not going to start adding features to my bespoke utility to fix someone else's problem.


Shrug, it's hard to have an open app where everyone wants to add/change something and not have it turn into a Turing machine that attempts to do everything.

Sometimes you just want an app does X and Y, but not A, B and Z.


Was reminiscing about the early iOS App Store days when many apps were free and often hobby projects. Some hooked up google ads to make a nice easy profit if they stumbled on a particularly good early app idea. I don't really find apps like that anymore, or at least they don't really get shared the same way. Maybe this is a return to that in a sense.

I also don't think any particular idea is off limits for making a profit, if you do something and you do it well, you can charge a fee. But if the free hobby version is better then you best find a way to justify the price.


The subscription craze is getting worse where often the features I need are locked behind a recurring fee costing hundreds to thousands of dollars over its useful lifetime, or are only available in 'enterprise' versions where the sales people laugh me off for not having $30k to spend and won't even let me trial the software (because inevitably I'll just RE it and make a crack)

The most recent example is I wanted a simple home security system with presence detection and a private control panel, none of the free ones hit my requirements, or require custom hardware, or lock you into a cloud, or assume you can spin-up some containers - or are super enterprise grade stuff.

Within about 2 days I had an android app for my tablet, Google FMDN integration, fingerprinting of my other devices, all controllable via Telegram from any of my phones with alerts that "just work" wherever I am and include an inline gif snapshot.

What I wanted didn't really exist as any individual product, so I absolutely see the appeal of DIY vibe-coded stuff, and a day of the build time was optimizing the OpenGL motion-detection pipeline with shaders & DMA which in itself was good to learn about.


Most users expect everything to be cloud these days. In the cross-stitching community (which is mostly older non-technical folk), the amount of people that get mad every day because the most popular app is local-only, is phenomenal. What do you MEAN they smashed their device, bought a new one, and all their WIP projects aren't there anymore?


> Most users expect everything to be cloud these days.

No way. Maybe most Linux users. MacOS, iOS, Android, and probably Windows users are all app-first.


App first, but using the cloud for storage and syncing.

Imagine Sean Penn having to ask Zelensky for his oscar back.


I agree with what's written, and I've been talking about the harm seemingly innocuous anthropomorphization does for a while.

If you do correct someone (a layperson) and say "it's not thinking", they'll usually reply "sure but you know what I mean". And then, eventually, they will say something that indicates they're actually not sure that it isn't thinking. They'll compliment it on a response or ask it questions about itself, as if it were a person.

It won't take, because the providers want to use these words. But different terms would benefit everyone. A lot of ink has been spilled on how closely LLM's approximate human thought, and maybe if we never called it 'thought' to begin with it wouldn't have been such a distracting topic from what they are -- useful.


God, yes. The 'you know what I mean' thing drives me crazy because no, I actually don't think they do know what they mean anymore. I've watched people go from using it as shorthand to genuinely asking ChatGPT how it's feeling today. The marketing has been so effective that even people who should know better start slipping into it. Completely agree that we missed a chance to frame this correctly from the start.


Accusations of Anthropomorphism are sometimes Anthropocentrism in a raincoat. O:-)


Ha. Well I'm OK with being accused of bias towards biological life and intelligence. I know Larry Page and friends think this is 'speciesist' -- I strongly disagree.

I think that's compatible with optimism towards LLM's though. It just removes all of the nonsensical conflation with humanity and human intelligence.


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