> This feature will be available on Teams desktop applications (both Windows and Mac) and Teams mobile applications (both iOS and Android)."

Seems like it’s even easier, just join the meeting via browser.

I’m not familiar with a way to enforce this type of restriction in the browser.

From the Article, if only to be pedantic enough that I agree with 'yes a browser might work'

> The company plans to start rolling out this new Teams feature to Android, desktop, iOS, and web users worldwide in July 2025.

OTOH we will see if there's any type of weasel-wording on whether browser is in fact non-supported (i.e. will go to audio-only mode.)

The other possibility, is that every 'supported' platform has some form of DRM that results in the functionality working even on browser (just thinking out loud about DRM functionality possibilities) means Windows/MacOS/Android/iOS all work but everyone else is out of luck.

Browser DRM like WideVine and PlayReady do the enforcing

I've disabled DRM on my Firefox browser.

Sheesh, we've come to a state where browsers can no longer be referred to as "user agents".

Really? I didn't know it was possible to use DRM like WideVine for peer-to-peer video.

Teams is going through a central server and bouncing it out to participants, right? Not p2p.

I thought Teams was a reskin of Skype so whatever they used to do…

Same way Netflix does I’m sure.

My immediate thought was college kids on campus.

It’s basically your apartment building example (esp. something like the STEM dorms)

When this stuff breaks in the hours leading up to a homework assignment being due, it’s going to discourage the next generation of engineers from using it.

There are bunch of tabletop wargames, but Warhammer has the network effect going for it.

If you want to go the local hobby store and play a game, most other people are playing Warhammer, that’s what you play too.

You might prefer Bolt Action, but if nobody else in town has a Bolt Action army, it’s an uphill climb.

I recently attended a big Wargaming convention. While all sorts of games were present and being played, 40K has orders of magnitude more people playing it.

How are the SIPC premiums being paid?

Let’s say I invest $250k with you. From my research it appears the SIPC premiums on that amount would be more than $12/year.

How does that work?

Also consider that a good judge is doing a useful service to society, but isnt necessarily in the business of maximizing other people’s happiness.

One major point I don’t see addressed, are endorsements public or private?

I could see major (but different) issues with both scenarios.

That was my question as well. What is the user benefit of the monitor having a network connection?

A few manufacturers are now shipping monitors with the same OS as their smart TVs, so they can stream Netflix and stuff standalone. OP has an LG one, and I know Samsung are also doing it on some of their newer models. Thankfully there's still plenty of dumb monitors on the market for now, including most LGs and Samsungs.

For now, yes. There also used to be plenty of dumb TVs on the market, but not anymore. If there isn't major consumer resistances to this (and let's be honest, most people already accept smart phones and smart TVs and smart cars and smart appliances all with the same shit) then in less than a decate you won't have many options for dumb monitors.

Given how garbage the software quality is on hardware devices, why would I ever want them to be connected to the internet? Ad/privacy or security concerns aside, even companies who should know better have shown they cannot be trusted and will continue to load up irrelevant patches onto a device until it eventually crawls under the increased computational demands. Slowing a previously responsive system.

Well how else would you get security updates for your insecure devices if not by connecting them to the internet. /s

Once you've identified the viewer you can see if they have a license for that they're viewing and report the thoughtcrime if not.

Why does my monitor need to do that? My OS, the Intel Management Engine, my application, the website I'm using, my internet provider, my modem's hardware stack, and the several networked microphones in my home are already doing it.

Consider the case where there's a quiet observer looking at the screen alongside you. The monitor also needs to identify them so that it can ensure that you're not an accessory to thoughtcrime by letting them look at your screen.

Your monitor manufacturer isn't on the list and also wants a piece of that fresh brain meat

Until we could tap into your optical nerve or directly into your brain, the monitor is the closest we could get.

Yes, it's okay to abuse people because others are already might be abusing them.

Your sarcasm detector needs a tune up, especially with three other replies that already read it correctly giving you big hints.

Your comment is very similar to past comments in HN where the user was sadly not being sarcastic (generally people with defeatist attitudes). Please use the widely-accepted sarcasm symbol. Example:

(Insert sarcasm here.) /s

I don't think that really caught on that much. Film studios care about it, but TV manufacturers don't really.

This is for advertising plain and simple (and probably selling user data to some extent). That's direct income for the manufacturers so they care about it a lot.

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I use my monitor's network connection so devices connected to it via thunderbolt also have ethernet.

But, why doesn't the ethernet just connect to the device directly? Have they really taken so many ports away from us that the only way to connect to ethernet is to daisy chain through a fucking smart monitor?

Single cable docking. You plug your laptop into the monitor via USBC and it charges your laptop, provides it a Ethernet connection and drives the monitor display.

It's neat, but not this dystopian neat.

I'd rather just use a dedicated (dumb) docking station rather than giving yet another device internet access.

Not defending the sickening concept of a “spy” monitor.

But my Dell P2423DE monitor has a USB-C “dock” built into it so that I plug a single cable into my laptop which connects it to 2x 1440p monitors, power, mouse, headset receiver, keyboard and a wired ethernet connection.

Quite frankly, it’s awesomely convenient.

It’s totally legitimate to have a network port on a monitor.

That does not sound to me like a network port on a monitor. That sounds like a monitor / docking station combination.

Yeah, but the Ethernet port is inside the display case and you control it from the display menu.

I've never heard of this. What specific devices, if you don't mind me asking?

I had no idea a Thunderbolt hub could serve as a parallel Ethernet hub, nor that there were devices that could or would want to take advantage of this.

AFAIK, while there is a standard for Ethernet-over-Thunderbolt, typical Thunderbolt docking stations simply expose the underlying Ethernet controller as a PCIe device, typically using a chipset with drivers that are widely available if not preinstalled on all major OSes.

In other words, they not hubs (or switches) in the Ethernet sense, just a different physical connection to an otherwise ordinary PCIe NIC.

I imagine non-Thunderbolt USB docks are similar, presenting as a USB hub with a garden-variety USB Ethernet controller attached to one of its ports.

With that said, I imagine a "smart monitor" with integrated dock would additionally include Ethernet switch-like functionality, to enable sharing of a single physical Ethernet port (or wireless connection) between the connected host and the smart TV subsystem, just as some servers allow sharing of a single Ethernet port between the installed OS and an onboard BMC.

Based on my reading of the article, this change would not start showing you Elon’s tweets if you have him blocked.

What it would do is allow Elon’s feed to show everyone, and not have holes in it from people who have blocked him.

I don’t see how this is Microsoft’s fault or issue.

MS can’t prevent a software vendor from breaking the machine.

I'm going to follow the guidelines and not be snarky: Microsoft is not some weak company at the mercy of the market. They choose their vendors (they also actively throw their weight around with vendors) and MS on top of that is capable of doing anything in-house (or buying it to bring it in house).

The stance of "let's not hold companies accountable for cutting corners" is one reason everything is getting worse. It's because we collectively let it get worse.

Is it possible that you’re talking about a different incident? In the incident at hand, didn’t enterprises in question choose the EDR vendor, not Microsoft?

Is the implication that Microsoft should be compelled to develop its own EDR product at a level of sophistication comparable to what CrowdStrike offered, and compete with them on that basis?

It feels strange to me to hold Microsoft accountable for the poor design decisions of firms who just develop third-party software on their platform.

I’m not following your line of reasoning, can you clarify?

Is the argument that it was MS responsibility to bake something like this in at the OS level? And if they did it would be more robust?

I’m not sure I agree. MS has already gotten in trouble for monopolistic practices before, so from a legal standpoint, I’m not sure that’s the best course of action.

Except that doing those things could be viewed as monopolistic or anti-competitive behaviour.

If Microsoft is responsible, then they need to also need greater control. If Microsoft isn't supposed to have that kind of power, they cannot be blamed.

>>>It's because we collectively let it get worse

What would you suggest we do to make sure it doesn't get worse?

A large majority of the population probably has no idea the implications of this outage and what to do about it because most are tech deaf.

They could basically eliminate vendors and make everyone use a Microsoft tool. But I suspect many would object to that solution also.

The they'd get sued by the EU for bundling these tools into the OS and eliminating the market for third party vendors.

Exactly. If you are going to demand a ton of different companies build different parts of a product, integration issues are unavoidable.

Drivers have the right to crash the system in my books - software doesn't. They need to take a stronger stance on antiviruses and kernel based software in general and push defender as the defacto antivirus for Windows.

because the underlying os they provide allows kernel access. if they had windows fence of the kernel and maybe provide a security api ? then this whole thing wouldn't be an issue

WTF? Isn't that exactly the one of the main jobs of the OS, to not crash regardless of what user-space software is doing?

Endpoint protection is hardly user-space software. It gets deeply privileged access to the entire system.

There's also the argument that a business OS that you spend thousands or pay a monthly licensing fee for should be hardened enough already to not need software like Crowdstrike. But I'm also completely ignorant to what it actually does and how critical it is.

I used to be a Windows Engineer in webhosting (RAX, Hostgator, 2-3 others) I assume before this software existed and I had to hand-craft an insane amount of security services in posh and python. When I first got into Windows syseng stuff, I think IIS5 so win2k IIRC, IIS didn't have something as simple as URL Rewrite abilities. You had to buy a 3rd party package for EACH server at $25 or write one, I had thousands of servers. Zero thought about people actually using IIS for webhosting. I had to make my own brute force detection service that continuously monitored eventviewer for an RDP permission denied error code, then write that IP to the windows firewall. All this stuff is an apt-get away in lunix. Windows Server is so shockingly barebones and to be quite frank most Windows syseng people aren't the best engineers and wouldn't think to make almost any of this. On many of my teams I was the only one who could program.

We'd put servers up without a firewall and post their IPs on irc and see how long it took someone to pop one, if they didn't get popped before we got back to our NOC.

I dealt with that OS from sysadmin 1-3 over 10 years I am so goddamned happy everything is an ephemeral linux container now.

I think the idea is that CrowdStrike doesn’t run in user space.

If an Nvidia driver had bricked the machines, would that be MS fault or Nvidia fault?

IME a graphics driver crash recovers just fine on Windows. The screen goes black for half a second and you're back in business without losing progress.

I've had NVidia drivers bluescreen Windows 10 and 11 machines within the past six months.

Why not both? I am perfectly happy to blame multiple parties, not just one.

It wasn't user space, it installs a kernel mode driver

it was a kernel mode driver.

Apple

Does Apple have a better method for preventing something like that?

I love my Mac, but I've had crashes that I suspect were caused by an application.

They have sunset third party kext files. That means if the kern crashes, it is Apple's fault.

I once did a little MacOS driver development and had a kext signing key. It was an unforgiving, poorly-documented environment. Good riddance.

TY

Large corporations buy Windows _because_ they can have this level of control over their machines. The CTOs and auditors want to be able to say they've personally secured their systems using "top of the line" security software.

>> rebelled-against emojis, meaning the emojis that people use for different meanings than what their title suggests they mean. The top emoji people don’t use as intended is the persevering face, with only 5% using it as intended and the majority using it to signify frustration

I’m willing to bet money that less than 5% of the people using the Eggplant emoji actually mean eggplant.

Which is really a missed opportunity for U+130B8 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH D052.

Peach too

Unless they're in Georgia