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and knowledge is a boner-killer



at some point one realizes that people like to make up dramatic situations in their own minds and then live in that reality, and that's a form of self-gratification. According to Brave New World, we should have gotten over this neo-religion of romance that hollywood preached.


given that it's impossible to enforce it, no. but it s a great way to communicate a message


> given that it's impossible to enforce it

For some foreign journalist or diplomat sure but against a local journalist, maintenance crew, cleaner, etc who all most likely sign the exact same NDA for sure Ukraine can enforce it if the person is unable to escape the country (which for males aged 18 to 65 is really hard at the moment for example)

edit: Also as a journalist if you actually do leak such information after signing a piece of paper saying you would not who would actually trust you with any kind of secret information in the future?


For Ukrainian willingly endangering the pres would amount to treason


Without signing NDA they would be able to (rightfully) pledge stupidity.


I would love to be a fly on the wall when someone tries using that excuse in a war zone xD In a way I'm thankful for it. It means that most people never even came close to real consequences of their actions...


Stupidity isn't a valid excuse against treason charges.


I'm not sure how the legal system in Ukraine works but for criminal charges you typically you need to prove intent. "Stupidity" would probably be a valid excuse in that case because it implies lack of intent, at least pertaining to the charge of betraying the country.


if you are a journalist and leak out endangering information you should never be trusted again, with or without an NDA


Yet the NDA gives additional guideance as to what is sensitive.


hackernews trying not to be contrarian for five minutes challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)


Every opinion should be attacked from all angles to prove its validity. Saying that people are contrarian for expressing a counteropinion is asking for people not to attack a position, which would lead to false opinions being propagated.


the "current thing" must be destroyed at all costs


So no, er, but actually yes?


Definitely possible to enforce it. They have a functional legal system and a 'very active' counter intelligence team.


Why is it impossible to enforce? Not sure I follow.


... for now


To be clear, the “for now” is @jdrc speculating. The announcement doesn’t say anything about this being temporary, although they do say they are continuing to monitor and appreciate feedback.


Car design is much more interesting than the wholly homogeneous world of mobile and computing. Hasn't anyone come up with a nice idea for 15 years?


Franz Von Holzhausen has been doing great work over at Tesla, albeit as Elon's editor, rather than the inverse Ive/Jobs relationship.

Elon: let's make a truck out of folded steel.

Franz: OK, I'll make it look decent.

As opposed to Apple, where it was more like

Jobs: let's make a nice laptop.

Ive: OK here's a block of aluminum

Jobs: bro, it needs a screen

Ive: Fine I guess the users aren't evolved enough yet.


Doesn't that already exist?


Did it lean left in the 90s? the 00s? It seems that the progressive turn happened after tech became mainstream and recruited hordes of all kinds of employees, and implemented diversity quotas


Well "left" and "right" are kinda under-specified terms, and a simplistic one-dimensional model does not even begin to capture the full range of political orientations, so it's kinda hard to talk about this. At one time the "tech world" seemed to skew fairly heavily libertarian relative to the general population, but libertarianism does not fit anywhere in particular on the one-dimensional left/right continuum. As many libertarians like to say "We are left of Left and right of Right at the same time."

All of that said, I don't think there's any question that has been something of a shift in the prevailing zeitgeist among "tech people". But properly categorizing, much less explaining, that is a job I'll leave for somebody else.


also "tech people" is underdetermined. Are there prominent founders who are 'woke'? prominent developers or technology pioneeers? Those tend to be generally individualist and libertarian


You re not just biased, you re angry. Realize that you 're not the first angry religious person. Europe fought religious wars centuries ago and it was devastating. It fought nationalist wars in the past century and was almost leveled to the ground. It's way beyond the point where it s going to be accepting of theocracies and religious fundamentalism and even nationalism. Individual rights and enlightenement values is what people believe in. LGBT rights are used as a shit test for those values, and they are important despite the fact that LGBT are a small minority. If you can live with your religious beliefs but still tolerate them , then congratulations you have become an individual of the modern world. It's not that hard, all it takes is some control of emotions.

Maybe also read up some history of the ottoman empire and the countries that sprung out from it. Some have managed to escape becoming part of the middle east problems, some are regressing like turkey, some never made it to statehood. The world is more complex than simplistic religious stories. People don't hate you ; they have their own convictions shaped by their own history and their own anxieties.


i think academia's future is remote. school too - especially if people want to travel nomadically.

Academia has actually had this model for a long time - people moving with their families for postdocs every few years and keeping in touch remotely with old colleagues


while this sentiment may be popular here, there are numerous, well-understood and well-documented benefits of human interaction that are not possible via a screen.


The gist here should be that there needs to be worldwide coordination for taxation base of workers. Remote work visas are a start but there needs to be a clear global standard. Maybe airbnb could push for this


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