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It is actually quite a common occurrence in the arts and other creative fields, where there is a level of idealization for the work in itself outside of the remuneration. Musicians, architects, illustrators, cinematographers are all dealing with the same thing the more the work resembles their ideal type of artistic work, the less to pay usually.

I would guess a big part of this is because the art _itself_ is a form of compensation: Artists have a passion for the end result in a way that organizations (e.g., corporations, collectives, movements, etc.) harness and take advantage of in lieu of financial compensation.

This is usually framed in terms of greedy corporations cynically exploiting young workers, but having interviewed for a Sony studio myself a few years ago (and ultimately going back to my native robotics field for almost exactly double the pay), I think there is something tangible about the compensation that is working on something normal people encounter, especially in the leisure spaces of their lives.

It may not pay the rent or put food on the table, but seeing your name in the credits of a movie your friends watched or a game they played is a perk that has real value. Writing a technical book rarely pays the bills either but it's the same story of getting to see your name on the shelf, and maaaybe it leads to getting on a conference panel or something at some point but really you're doing a lot of labour for far below minimum wage just to be able to say you did (as I did for Apress when I was 20 years old... and it landed me an internship at Google, so there you go).


> friends watched or a game they played is a perk that has real value

in most cases it don't unless this game become really legendary which often not the case. So young person easily can spent 10y in attempt to do that but as result non of those games will be remembered in 2y after release.


I've always said that being an engineer is a classic choose two out of three options situation. You can:

- be well compensated - work on something interesting - work on something ethical

Obviously there's the rare unicorn out there where you get all three, but those are the exception, not the rule.


The sneaky thing you don't realize when you’re 20 is that you come to be interested in what you work on. So if you just try and do what you do well, it will become interesting!

right and it's also additional hidden kind of exploitation happen with that. That artistic passion coming from desire to do better "art" and grow as "artist" (what ever creative field person is chasing) and also to connect with peoples of similar goals.

But in reality that environment helping only to grow in technical aspects of the job ( maybe also learning some market forces) but it leads to severe degradation in artistic practice of which person original desire cultivate even not realizing that just because is no business need for anything like that. Bus sines can be fine by just coping that everyone else doing or implementing some one else vision.


Reminds me of this [1] article, quoting Seinfeld, "In the seventies, this is the tragic turn of American culture. And this was explained to me by Mario Joiner who cracked this puzzle that I could not figure out what the hell happened. That money became everything. What happened because it was not like that in the seventies. In the seventies, it’s how cool is your job? How cool is what you’re doing? If your job’s cooler than my job, you beat me."

I too wanna work on cooler stuff. Sooner rather than later.

[1]: https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2024/05/seinfeld-on-when-mo...


To a lesser extent the same has been said about Apple's low pay relative to peer (far less profitable) companies -- the mere honor of working at Apple is an implied part of the compensation package.

And you act like there hasn't been a loss once we moved away from the master craftsman style of building to the professionalized architect style of building. We cannot make a gothic cathedral amymore. also CAD, homogenized the built environment, significantly. And we have been losing a lot of traditional, artisanal craftsmen art forms over the past century. artisanal craft mounds,

No, I think the argument from the article is pretty good. Use a language that has a lot of guard rails built in.


or a compiler that makes the llm sad


Yeah, I'd be tired of this conversation if it didn't affect my work. Daily.


As an enthusiast of the promise of bitcoin, the best thing that that community did was to separate itself from crypto.


I'm confused by this. Bitcoin isn't cryptocurrency?


The term cryptocurrency refers to a category that is saturated with companies participating in the minimum amount of decentralization theatre to provide plausible deniability in a court about the level of control that founders have. The currencies in the case of those companies are more akin to stocks than anything.


You know that people studying a second language often study native pronunciation, right? Thats just standard curricula for language acquisition. Youre fishing for racism where theres none.


English is one of the two official languages of the Philippines, so their English accent is native, just as much as the English accent, Scottish accent, American accent, NYC accent, etc.


Sure, there's no such thing as a native accent. In the end these are all concepts and if you dig down the semantic value of the label is blurry at the edges. Language is a malleable construct of agreement which corresponds to an ever flowing ever changing loosely defined idea, and you cannot point to a proper category that transcends cultural and social norms and stratification. We can play the post-structuralist game, but you're not engaging in good faith.

Language is useful insofar as it lets you communicate, and if you lack the phonemes the meaning of your words will be misinterpreted and misunderstood. Learning a more common accent is a reality that has incredible utility and is not in itself racist. At any rate, there's enough variation between the English commonly spoken by Philippinos that it's considered a dialect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_English.


There's definitely racism in a global apartheid.


I understand the words you are saying, but struggling to make sense of what you are trying to say. We're talking in this thread about learning a native accent in a second language. I do the same when I am learning Hungarian, as the phonemes are different than what I am used to in my native tongues.


That purple to blue gradient is the emdash of css.


This is true if you that assume the only purpose of design is aesthetic differentiation. There actually is a lot of science in how you scan information in a design, how it's presented, the visual hierarchy, grouping and things that actually have utility in and off itself.


Would you care to elaborate on what you mean with concert fatigue? I've never heard of it and you're talking about it as though it's something that is so common, it is implied to be known.


I go to more concerts than ever, due to the well-known phenomenon of streaming guilt.

(I just invented that term, but it's real for me!)


Is it just me or is this really bad copy? The only clue as to what this is on the landing page is the background of the product image. And I also have to sign up to find out anything else about it.


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