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This. Having lived in Switzerland for the past four years I am shocked by this revelation, people think America is a super racist place, it doesnt hold a flame to other parts of the world, in fact its the opposite.


1. Try to take 6m to a year off 2. Think of way to leverage your skillset to your advantage in a non 9-5 capacity 3. If its still repulsive, go on indeed and just start browsing with very little criteria to see what interests you and just start applying, you would be surprised how advantageous being a tech worker can be in other seemingly non-related industries. I know a guy who use to be a nurse, he is now a charter boat captain. Another that was a F1 Race mechanic that now works in Solar... Having design say, ability to think critically, to plan out and wire frame something up, are all transferrable!

Good luck


I really hate the advice "Take six months to a year off"

Not everyone is in such a financially advantageous situation that they are able to do so at a minimum we should preface such advice with "Ideally" or "If you are able to"

In fact, when I've faced burn out in the past, one of the major reasons for it was BECAUSE I wasn't in a situation to take such time off and my gosh do I wish it was advice I was able to action!


Taking 6 months to a year off from programming to give your brain a rest does not mean that you have to sit on the couch watching game shows or travel around trying to 'find yourself'.

Plenty of 'Help Wanted' signs are up looking for people with few skills or intelligent people who can learn a skill quickly. It might be much more labor intensive than your current job, but that might be exactly what you need as a change of pace.

Few, if any of those jobs pay as well as programming, but millions of people earn a living wage doing them every day. If you don't have some good savings, then you might have to give up some luxuries that you have gotten used to, but that isn't the end of the world either.


And yet this is advice targeted towards developer with 15 years of experience.

If someone is in position of working in the field, having a lot of experience and still having issue with putting some cash aside to take few months off then it might hint that not the field but particular work place is root cause.


It’s folly to infer someone’s financial situation and make assumptions about their capabilities based on it.

One medical issue or a family member with one could scupper a savings account, this is a precise reason why I hate this advice it’s tantamount to victim blaming.


Just as losing money on bad investment or getting robbed or drained by ex-wife etc etc. But let’s call on Occams Razor and don’t focus some edge cases. Software development is well paying industry. We can’t bend over every single outlier situation which would be known to close friends only.

While maybe not obtainable for individual taking time off is still sound general piece of advice.

If you have bad tooth going to dentist is a a good advice. If you can’t afford dentist than it doesn’t make such advice bad.

For burnout recovery one has to get time off. There are some drugs that can help but they come with a lot of side effects and can actually worsen situation (depending on class of medication there is heightened risk of suicidal behavior or fired on the spot kind of).


thanks you, sometimes i feel like getting laid off might be a good outcome for me, so i could do this. i haven't had more than 1 month off in 15 years.


Dont care to provide any examples eh?


Apple would rather Android users feel isolated and thus pressured into adoption of a superior product than enhance iMessage to be RCS compatible. In Europe, people rarely use iMessage for group chats at all, WhatsApp / Telegram / Threema / Signal are defacto group chat apps for this very reason. People know iMessage is not multi-device friendly and no benefit to using it. I imagine this problem is nowhere near their list of actual problems worth looking at.


There is no "programming industry". Industry would be, automotive, finance, agriculture.. etc. Its likely the industry you work in, not programming.


Well sort of. For some reason, many dev departments do things the same way. Usually learned via some scrum consultant.


"can save families as much as $500 a year on their utility bills".... ehhh, people affected by an extra 500 per year arent going to fork over 20k for a new system that will save only 500 per year.


Overall the cost may not be that much but the bigger shift is to electrification of heating instead of a gas burning boiler, as electrical systems can take advantage of power from offshore wind / solar etc. another way of looking at it is most people will replace their boilers in the next 20-30yrs, if they can get a electrical heat pump system they should (and the governments should make this economically advantageous to do so).


Is the cost on new homes comparable? Does the US subsidise this at all?


Hilarious how the MSM are blaming day traders when in fact what is really happening is an unparalleled liquidation of overleveraged funds like Melvin capital and co. Every single thing that the folks on r/superstonk, and r/wallstreetbets have mapped out months if not a year ago are now coming to fruition, even the blaming of retail for the collapse of an overbought and artificially stimulated market.


There's no "blame" for day traders...its just showing retail traders who started trading around 2020 on average have lost their gains by now.


I am still in disbelief that there is no other solution around this, its absolutely insane. I live/work in Switzerland, wife is Swiss, child born here etc. In Switzerland you have higher than average salaries and that 112k is easily surpassed. So they US is basically telling me to stay poor, or abandon my citizenship.


such a french thing to bring about it too.


Having lived here for the past 3 years I would say that this was less about being polite and more about avoiding human interaction, which is something I find quite common in Swiss culture even today. Highly introverted and wanting to stick to ones self is the norm here. Villages so quiet you could hear a mouse fart.


You lived somewhere and are speaking for the whole country... I live in Zurich (the city) since 2015 (and my wife since 2018) and we have the opposite experience. Small talks with strangers and totally open converations with swiss people if you want. But you have to be open for it. If you are an introvert yourself, people mostly just respect that and cut conversation to a minimum.

And yes, Im speaking mostly for Zurich City as part of Switzerland, not Switzerland as a whole.


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