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Now Indian airports have outlets to create UPIs for foreigners visiting the country


Can’t wait to hand over my passport and drivers license to some random person after security wearing a uniform and holding an iPad after I get off an 8 hour red-eye.

Surely nothing can go wrong.


It's the same as the kiosks to get a local SIM card which also often require ID. Also optional.

> drivers license

A driver's license is rarely accepted as a valid ID document outside of the US which rarely has anything better.



An international driver license is not an id. It can be used to show to local law enforcement what vehicles you are allowed to drive. To use it you must have the original driver license with you too


This is not as useful as you’d assume, some places just don’t acknowledge non-State ID’s regardless of what they try to sell you


Have you ever seen and IDP? They’re a complete joke as an identity document, a child with a potato could forge one.


This KYC stuff required to get a sim/temp UPI makes me very happy an address isn't put into US passports. Who else is going to get that address if there was one there?


Those kiosks are a thing of the past, now that you can get an e-sim.


Rarely has anything better? What does that mean?


Lots of countries around the world have an ID card which is the default ID mechanism and is often mandatory to have (compared to say a driver's license, which many simply don't have because they never drive). The US doesn't widely have that, altough there are some slow efforts to that effect AFAIK.


You'd be surprised how well a US Passport Card is accepted as an ID around India. Most people are just looking for something official in a card-sized format. There's no address, no real passport number on it. It's a more harmless document to identify yourself abroad.


The physical verification process is required to respect the AML guidelines established by the RBI. The process itself takes less than 5 minutes but must be done once the foreigner lands in India.

In Blr/Mumbai/Delhi, our team can arrange for home verifications as well.

https://chequpi.com/


This is very valid feedback - foreigners do not want to deal with this nonsense KYC stuff to make payments. No assurance is ever given that the passport details will be kept safe and not sold off to people doing identity theft stuff


Really? Which airports? I was there 2 months ago.


any source?


Have been using same via Chromium Edge browser. I also like workspaces feature. It's very handy to give some context to the group of tabs.


If you compare number of wars Russia vs USA did post WW2, you know the aggressor. Why do NATO need to expand that too till borders of Russia n China. Is it just protection or suppression in plan? Where were we when there were so many wars againt people in Asia by US? And now we want to point against India or China not acting against Russia. Why should they do it? Even now countries like Yemen etc are suffering. But do we have sanctions against Saudis? No. Instead we still trade with them and US even sells weapons. So why should China or India care about what's happening in Ukraine.

USA doing well economically when Europe suffers not just in Ukraine. But we don't want to ack that. Why do people can't acknowledge that? We Europeans are doomed in couple of years. Took in lot of migrants and also dancing on tunes of USA.


Bad assumptions and comparables. Why would you compare "number of wars" and why would you arbitrarily stop that comparison at WW2? Other problem is just being in a war doesn't make it unjust, Korea is a good example. I'd actually challenge you to list out post-WW2 wars (actual troops on the ground) if you want to try to make this a point. We should include during WW2 as well since Russia joined up with Nazi Germany to invade Poland, Finland, and other countries or would it be convenient to forget about that?

Second you have a faulty premise re: "why do NATO need to expand". NATO doesn't need to expand, and whether it's at the borders of Russia or China isn't really relevant. NATO expansion that has occurred where it does border Russia (NATO doesn't expand or border China so already you're showing either a lack of geopolitical knowledge or you are just spewing propaganda) has been at the behest of those countries which seek to partner with NATO to provide security guarantees. Russia has invaded them in the past, the US has not. End of story there. Easiest way for Russia to not be "worried" about NATO is to stop being worried about it. Americans and Europeans don't really want to engage in war in Europe, and especially not with Russia since there isn't anything to gain.

> And now we want to point against India or China not acting against Russia.

Mainly because Russia engaged in an aggressive war against Ukraine, but if you're going to accuse some countries of trying to win economically against Russia then you have to include all countries that want to win economically against Russia, and that includes China and India who are more than happy to pay low rates for Russian oil and gas. If they cared about Russia they'd seek to stop the war so sanctions are lifted and Russians can enjoy a better standard of living and both China and India could return to paying 2x-3x prices for Russian oil so Russians can profit. Instead they want cheap oil.

> Even now countries like Yemen etc are suffering. But do we have sanctions against Saudis? No. Instead we still trade with them and US even sells weapons.

And China and India buy Russian oil while they engage in an aggressive war. Bad logic on your part. Not to mention other issues such as genocide against Uighur Muslims in China's own borders.

> USA doing well economically when Europe suffers not just in Ukraine. But we don't want to ack that. Why do people can't acknowledge that? We Europeans are doomed in couple of years. Took in lot of migrants and also dancing on tunes of USA.

US has been doing well economically regardless of whether or not Europe "suffers". If you hold that the Europe is doomed and just dancing to the tune of the USA then there isn't anything you can do, you have no agency, and you should stop caring and just try and enjoy your life.

Or you can accept that the world is much more complicated than what you are suggesting, and maybe Europe wouldn't be doing so bad (as you say) if it wasn't on the receiving end of a wonton and stupid Russian war to satisfy some butthurt dictator's imperial ambitions. Whoops.


Arjuna and Krishna fought before Mahabharat when Krishna's brother Balarama ordered Krishna to do so.


No they did not. Just one of many incorrect translations by Western Indologists. Note that I am being very polite in calling it "incorrect translations" as it borders malice.

In fact, in the Mahabharata itself, while Lord Krishna addresses the dead Parikshit (when he was killed by the Brahmastra while being in the womb of Uttara) he states that there has never been a conflict/misunderstanding between himself and Arjuna (also called Vijaya). Forget a fight. He then grants life to Parikshit by saying the following words (Sanskrit transliteration and English translation from Kisar Mohan Ganguli's Mahabharata):

yathA me dayito dharmo brAhmaNAshcha visheShataH | abhimanyoH suto jAto mRRito jIvatvayaM tathA || 20||

yathAhaM nAbhijAnAmi vijayena kadAchana | virodhaM tena satyena mRRito jIvatvayaM shishuH || 21||

yathA satyaM cha dharmashcha mayi nityaM pratiShThitau | tathA mRRitaH shishurayaM jIvatAmabhimanyujaH || 22||

"Having sat up, the daughter of the king of the Matsyas, summoning her patience, joined her hands in reverence and touched the earth with her head for saluting Kesava of eyes like the petals of the lotus. That foremost of beings, hearing those heart-rending lamentations of hers, touched water and withdrew the (force of the) Brahma-weapon. That hero of unfading glory, belonging to the race of the Dasarhas, promised to give the child his life. Then he of pure soul, said these words in the hearing of the whole universe,--'O Uttara, I never utter an untruth.

My words will prove true. I shall revive this child in the presence of all creatures. Never before have I uttered an untruth even in jest. Never have I turned back from battle. (By the merit of those acts) let this child revive! As righteousness is dear to me, as Brahmanas are specially dear to me, (by the merit of that disposition of mine) let Abhimanyu's son, who is born dead, revive! Never hath a misunderstanding arisen between me and my friend Vijaya. Let this dead child revive by that truth! As truth and righteousness are always established in me, let this dead child of Abhimanyu revive (by the merit of these)! As Kansa and Kesi have been righteously slain by me, let this child revive today by that truth!' After these words were uttered by Vasudeva, that child, O foremost one of Bharata's race, became animate and began gradually to move, O monarch."

[1]: https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m14/m14069.htm


User name checks out. :) Joking aside, thank you for the correction.

> Never hath a misunderstanding arisen between me and my friend Vijaya.

I did learn that there's a 19th-century play called Gayopakhyanam, where they almost fight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayopakhyanam


> User name checks out. :) Joking aside, thank you for the correction.

Haha no issues!

> I did learn that there's a 19th-century play called Gayopakhyanam, where they almost fight.

Yes there are many Sthala Puranas that have their own variations/additions to the main storyline. Which is why we stick to the oldest manuscripts that are available as we do not know if/when distortions happened as this story spans multiple thousands of years.

We have sadly also lost scriptures to invasions. Especially with the burning of Nalanda University (by Muhammad Bakhtiyar Khalji: by some estimates, 9 million scriptures were destroyed) and Takshashila University (by Persians, Greeks, Parthians, Hephthalites, Shakas and Kushanas) though Alexander and future Greeks revived the University again in partnership with Chandragupta Maurya. Hepthalites were most destructive of the lot. Both these Universities contained tomes of Dharmic scriptures/manuscripts (both Buddhist and Hindu).

Nalanda supposedly burned for 3 months.


Fascinating to learn about Nalanda and Takshashila University.

About the latter ("considered to be one of the earliest universities in the world") and the revival of the university - I recently started reading a book called, The Shape of Ancient Thought: Comparative Studies in Greek and Indian Philosophies. I'm interested in learning about the influence of Buddhism on Greek (and later European) philosophy. I know almost nothing about the history of India, so it's been a fun educational journey.

The name of Chandragupta Maurya I hadn't heard before, but I see he is an important historical figure, the grandfather of Ashoka. And they're said to be from the Shakya family from which Gautama Buddha descended.

I've enjoyed your other thoughtful comments in this thread, even the controversial one criticising the "deliberately mistranslated" scriptures. I don't know the truth of the matter, but perhaps the translators simply lacked understanding? And I can see that some words are impossible to translate, with so much meaning lost or wrongly transformed in the process.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your knowledge and perspective. Especially this comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32929993 ) was very thought-provoking, one of my favorite comments ever on this forum.


> I know almost nothing about the history of India, so it's been a fun educational journey.

As another commenter pointed out, if you want to know the history of India, there is no better scripture than the Mahabharata. Indians learn through stories about our Ancient Epics. That is the only thread that binds us to everything in the Civilization. Mahabharata is the core of it. As a kid, I was fascinated by the Mahabharata serial (old 1990s serial which is an abridged version of the actual scripture). It has English subtitles as well: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa6CHPhFNfadNcnVZRXa6...

I have a feeling you'll enjoy it. :)

Once you know Mahabharata, you'll get really familiar with the lingo/jargon/terms that are commonly used in Dharmic scriptures. Then it becomes really easy to connect with the rest of your study of the Ancient Indian Civilization.


Oh joy, I started watching the Mahabharata series you recommended.

Already I love the music, sitar and singing; how the title is in Sanskrit, English, and Arabic scripts; and how it starts with Time itself telling the story.

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In another comment you mentioned Hiraṇyagarbha, or Brahmanda. What a beautiful concept that is. I've heard about the Cosmic Egg in other cultures, particularly in the Greek Orphic tradition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_egg#Greek/Orphic_mytholo...

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What started my journey of curiosity about Greek and Indian cultural exchange, is that I grew up in Japan (it's literally my motherland) - and in Japanese temples, at the entrance are commonly seen two lions (stone statues) guarding the sacred space. I read that this symbolism came from ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Persia, via India to China and reached Japan.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%8B%9B%E7%8A%AC

The lions are named "A" and "Un", corresponding to Aum, अहूँ.

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By the way, would you mind if I wrote you an email? I'm enjoying our conversation, and have some philosophical questions. I didn't want to post my address here, to connect this account with my real-life identity, so I won't ask for yours - but maybe there's a temporary way to exchange info and get in touch, or a private way to give you my email (or vice versa)?

One thing I was curious to ask, about your thoughts on the differences and similarities between Hinduism and Buddhism. I imagine that's a big topic, haha.


> By the way, would you mind if I wrote you an email? I'm enjoying our conversation, and have some philosophical questions. I didn't want to post my address here, to connect this account with my real-life identity, so I won't ask for yours - but maybe there's a temporary way to exchange info and get in touch, or a private way to give you my email (or vice versa)?

I won't mind at all. You can contact me at shripad@criptext.com

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> Already I love the music, sitar and singing; how the title is in Sanskrit, English, and Arabic scripts; and how it starts with Time itself telling the story.

That's great :) Yes the story is an emotional rollercoaster. The main storyline ends with Episode 94 (all Episodes after that are side stories that happened in the same timeline). This is the only show that captures the essence of Mahabharata. Still nothing can beat the actual scripture itself as it is more detailed (the show is abridged due to paucity of Time). Kisar Mohan Ganguli's Mahabharata is a decent translation (https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/maha/index.htm) which you can read once you finish the show.

> One thing I was curious to ask, about your thoughts on the differences and similarities between Hinduism and Buddhism. I imagine that's a big topic, haha.

It definitely is a big topic haha! More importantly, Hinduism is itself not the right word to describe the Religion. It is "Sanatan Dharma".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San%C4%81tana_Dharma

Within it is Vedanta (also called Uttara Mimamsa) which has multiple schools. The closest school of Vedanta that shares a lot of overlapping concepts with Buddhism is Advaita Vedanta. The other schools (like Vishishtadvaita and Tattvavada/Dvaita) deviate significantly.

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> What started my journey of curiosity about Greek and Indian cultural exchange, is that I grew up in Japan (it's literally my motherland) - and in Japanese temples, at the entrance are commonly seen two lions (stone statues) guarding the sacred space. I read that this symbolism came from ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Persia, via India to China and reached Japan.

Yes that is right. In fact, a lot of the iconography and idols (especially in old Temples) in Japan has direct correlation with Dharmic deities. This page contains all comparisons:

http://hssjapan.org/hindu-gods-in-japan/

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> In another comment you mentioned Hiraṇyagarbha, or Brahmanda. What a beautiful concept that is. I've heard about the Cosmic Egg in other cultures, particularly in the Greek Orphic tradition.

Yes all Ancient Civilizations had this concept permeated into their scriptures in one way or the other. You'll find a lot of similarities. One striking similarity is that of Noah's Ark and Lord Vishnu's "Matsya Avatar".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsya

Both have pretty much the same story line except that in Matsya Avatar God himself incarnates to rescue the species on Earth.


Thanks! Just to let you know, I wrote you at the given address. Looking forward to talking with you further.


Thanks! I replied back from my personal address. Just took some extra time to formulate my thoughts. Hope you received it!


> About the latter ("considered to be one of the earliest universities in the world") and the revival of the university - I recently started reading a book called, The Shape of Ancient Thought: Comparative Studies in Greek and Indian Philosophies. I'm interested in learning about the influence of Buddhism on Greek (and later European) philosophy.

Another fact: Emperor Chandragupta Maurya studied in this University under the tutelage of his teacher, Acharya Chanakya. Chanakya raises this boy (not born into Royal Lineage) and teaches him everything: politics, philosophy, economics, administration and handling weapons. Turns him into a Warrior. He eventually raises a formidable Army and attacks the Nanda Empire to oust Emperor Dhana Nanda (who was at that time extremely cruel. Alexander's Army mutinied at Beas (Hyphasis River) against attacking the Nanda Empire primarily because they heard about the barbarity of the Nandas and the vast Army that they commanded). Once Chandragupta defeats Dhana Nanda, he forms the Mauryan Empire and appoints Chanakya as the Prime Minister.


> About the latter ("considered to be one of the earliest universities in the world") and the revival of the university - I recently started reading a book called, The Shape of Ancient Thought: Comparative Studies in Greek and Indian Philosophies. I'm interested in learning about the influence of Buddhism on Greek (and later European) philosophy. I know almost nothing about the history of India, so it's been a fun educational journey.

There is a lot of interconnect between Ancient Greek and Ancient Indian civilizations. Even when it comes to Demigods we have lots of similarities. Mostly because we interacted a lot (in spite of the Wars that we fought with each other, we eventually began to respect each others Civilizations more deeply). But with the fall of these Ancient Civilizations much of that relations that were built was lost. In a way, Dharmic Religions are the oldest surviving Religions... or dare I say oldest surviving Ancient Civilizations.

One of my biggest gripes with Western Indologists is that they classified Sanatan Dharma/Hinduism as Polytheist. Which is actually far from the Truth. We have only 1 God (the Brahman of the Vedas — the Supreme Being) with many Demigods (Devatas). Now depending on the school of Vedanta one follows, there are multiple interpretations of what God is (is God an independent entity — Tattvavada/Dvaita, we are all part of one God — Vishishtadvaita or I am God — Advaita). Yet all of it just boils down to either Monism or Monotheism. Not Polytheism. But as usual, the latter has stuck on due to wrong translations and will take a long time for it to be fixed.

Buddhism and Jainism on the other hand fall under Charvaka Philosophy. Charvakas deny the Supremacy of the Vedas as they believe in empirical evidence, direct perception alone. So even though we all come under the same umbrella term of "Dharmic Religions" there is a fundamental difference between both, which goes by the terminologies: Astika (Vedic) and Nastika (non-Vedic).

> The name of Chandragupta Maurya I hadn't heard before, but I see he is an important historical figure, the grandfather of Ashoka. And they're said to be from the Shakya family from which Gautama Buddha descended.

Yes you are right. Chandragupta Maurya was the Emperor of Ancient India and the founder of the Mauryan Empire. Emperor Ashoka is his descendent.

> I don't know the truth of the matter, but perhaps the translators simply lacked understanding?

This is a long story but it ties heavily to Evalengelical Christian Missionaries and providing them a fodder by misinterpreting many of the scriptures incorrectly (many Missionaries here use these translated scriptures to fool the local populace). It then becomes really easy to coax local populace in India (typically the lower castes), who due to various unfortunate circumstances (including discrimination they were subjected to in the past by upper castes, coupled with their own economic conditions), weren't versed in Sanskrit, to convert to Christianity or other Abrahamic Religions.

I have no issues with people converting as that is their individual preference/right but I don't want wrongly translated scriptures to be used as fodder for such conversions. I am more worried about these translations gaining a life of its own and cementing itself as the true translations winning over actual translations that was passed down through generations by our Ancestors. I want to preserve this culture/tradition as I feel it holds value to people on Earth and for future generations to research/introspect/learn from. Irrespective of whether they find value in it or not. Irrespective of whether it is perfect, faulty or downright nonsense. It should be looked at as preservation of Ancient Culture/Traditions and not be lost in the annals of Time.

Also, wrong translations builds animosity between groups. People here are converting not out of some profound wisdom or philosophical enlightenment but out of a hatred for the Religion they belonged to. This sort of brainwashing is going on every single day in India.

Very few who bothered to do their own independent research and figure out that the translations are wrong reconvert back.

This is not healthy for a society IMHO. Especially if conversions are forced or happen out of misinformation/animosity, it just ends up creating bad blood, regrets (once you realize you have been taken for a ride) and even divisiveness leading to communal rifts.

So I see it as my moral duty to set things right when I see wrong translations. Even if the World is against me. And I know I am not alone in this endeavour.

> Especially this comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32929993 ) was very thought-provoking, one of my favorite comments ever on this forum.

Thank you so much for your kind words! Means a lot!


> Very few who bothered to do their own independent research and figure out that the translations are wrong reconvert back.

To whom are Dharmic religions bleeding followers? Other religions or ireligion? Is conversion happening between the Dharmic religions? Any idea about percentages related to conversions?


> To whom are Dharmic religions bleeding followers? Other religions or ireligion? Is conversion happening between the Dharmic religions? Any idea about percentages related to conversions?

Mostly to Abrahamic religions. For Christianity at least you can check the Joshua Project where they have complete statistics of souls harvested: https://joshuaproject.net/countries/IN

You can sort by "Progress Scale" to see the rate of conversions.

> Is conversion happening between the Dharmic religions?

Yes this also happens regularly where Hindus convert to Buddhism and vice-versa. No statistics for this unfortunately.

> ireligion

I don't know the statistics about how many are atheists/agnostic. However, they don't face any discrimination for their viewpoints and many identify themselves as Hindu too (as the word Hindu is not just used as a Religious construct but also to signify culture you belong to). Many even take part in Religious festivities (however odd it might sound to you) as for them it is more a celebration/festival/communal gathering than accepting existence of a Creator/Deity. That flexibility has always been there since Ancient times.


> For Christianity at least you can check the Joshua Project where they have complete statistics of souls HARVESTED: https://joshuaproject.net/countries/IN

> You can sort by "Progress Scale" to see the rate of conversions.

That is just insidious. It is Sith or Borg like behavior.


Yep. They even have "Harvest Information Standards": https://hisregistries.org/

Documentation on how to collect demographic data: https://hisregistries.org/wp-content/uploads/filebase/rop/RO...

Even an FAQ: https://hisregistries.org/wp-content/uploads/filebase/rop/RO...

And a standards process: https://hisregistries.org/wp-content/uploads/filebase/standa...

The entire mechanism is slick, polished and well co-ordinated. Everyone is involved in the process: politicians, police, pastors, NGOs and it probably goes all the way to the Vatican (this is probably a conspiracy theory but can't be ruled out). Most of the donations come from foreign contributions. The modus operandi is typically to create flyers that talk about famine/hunger/floods/earthquakes/AIDS or some infectious disease ravaging third-world countries (think Africa, Asian countries) and solicit donations from gullible citizens of First World countries who naturally do not suspect it to be used for anything nefarious. These donations rake in millions of dollars.

Then these donations are routed through NGOs in India (which thankfully the Government of India cracked down on in 2015-16). They are then routed through various pastors/missionaries who "Preach the Gospel" (code for bribe the economically downtrodden). The more "souls harvested" the higher the share of donation that these pastors/missionaries get. So it is high incentive, high stakes game for them. Every soul they harvest they get anywhere from $3000-$8000. The biggest slice of the pie is for those who can convert upper-caste Brahmins. However, they mostly target villages/tribal areas. The last information (dollar amounts) I cannot substantiate with proof (as most of it happens under the table) but I have seen it with my own eyes (worked with someone who I witnessed engaging in this — he had forgotten that I was in the same room). So take the last piece of information as purely anecdotal as I do not know how wide spread this is and if the rates are the same all across India.

If the conversions were happening because of philosophical/ideological acceptance it wouldn't be an issue at all. This is different. This can be classified as a form of corruption.

If you are interested, you can check "Confessions of an Ex-Christian: Esther Dhanraj" which details the modus operandi of this conversion racket.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNdgGttyvyA


Lol.. Islamophobia started after bombings. These leaders were there way before. Don't just link all political issues to Islamophobia.


2019 elections are won post Easter bombings. They were there before but the super majority they were able to get is because of Islamophobia.


Right, the explosive event where the "easter worshippers" (so-called because the media was allergic to calling them Christians) became un-alived; Muslims most effected.

Maybe churches will need to install the kind of security fixtures commonly found furnishing synagogues in Europe. It generally does the job of keeping pathetic misanthropes who think it's good to bomb religious communities out on the curb where they belong, to issue empty threats and get carried away to a nice new home.


Some of the bombings occurred in hotels favoured by Chinese and Western tourists. Including two that I've stayed in regularly on visits.


They have a private experience setup available(not private mode).I don't remember name but as soon as you install edge, it asks what level privacy you want to manage. That I guess should be fine.


Why not use platforms like Amazon or Quince kind?


If you like F1 because of "Drive to Survive", I am sorry but F1 is not at all like that. I have been follower of F1 for more than 20 years now. But not because of only racing. Racing is just 20%. It's more a team game, team politics, engineering, team strategies etc that keeps my interest in F1. If you just follow live racing, I can guarantee you, it's more boring than 5 day cricket test matches. There are lot times a team gonna keep leading for ages. Like mercs for almost 7 years now. But behind doors there are teams who try to do politics to makesure they comeback on top.


Yeah a lot of these comments definitely sound like they are from a new fan who picked up the vibe from Drive to Survive, with its made-up rivalries and over-editorializing. I find the items laid out in the article to be some of the most untrue or frustrating things about the sport.

But hey if you're in the HN crowd / an engineer and this piques one's interest, I really enjoy the Tech Talk show with Sam Collins and following Craig Scarborough on social media because they both dive into the technical innovation (one might say "hacking" of the regulations) the teams are doing to try and eek out new advantages.


> Like mercs for almost 7 years now

Uh, I think you mean "almost 10 years now". Hamilton joined in 2013, which is when they got second in WCC. They have effectively dominated since then.


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