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It fits pretty well with how the IRS operates. They don't seem to care how money is made - as long as they get their share.


It is amazing to see a plea for basic standards of justice being downvoted.


Probably too politically divisive.

Nothing gets Norwegians arguing more than wolf politics.


We should control greenhouse emissions by releasing more wolves into shopping malls.


It definitely needs to removed from the FSF. They have shown themselves to be unable to stand up to the mob. What will the next mob call for?


Please stop being obtuse. You know very well that people are 'asked to resign' instead of 'fired'.


I'm familiar with "asked to resign"; I was asking about the form "they resigned him", which I have not encountered before and which moves it from generally understood euphemism to utterly transparent word replacement.


Good hopefully he can separate GNU from the FSF and get it under responsible stewardship.


I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

Do you feel the FSF is irresponsible? If not, what are you trying to say?

Can you share any specifics? What evidence do you have to back up your claims?


FSF fell for the hit piece.


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I think they're referring to this article, which took his quotes entirely out of context since Stallman never said that the victims were willing (quite the opposite)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/famed-mit-computer-scientist-r...



I believe the parent is saying Stallman was resigned from the role of president of the FSF over the controversy about his private emails (when they were made public).

The MIT CSAIL and the FSF (according to the parent) were both deceived by a "hit piece." It's not 100% clear what the parent is calling a "hit piece," but this might be it: https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec2...

Richard Stallman's email announcing he is resigning his position at MIT CSAIL: https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#16_September...

FSF announcement of Richard Stallman resigning: https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns


> If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.


Cardinal Richelieu. Maybe; origin of the quote is a bit disputed.

In any case, it's a cute sentiment but it's unclear it has any bearing on a world that isn't an authoritarian universe with a power-protected clergy class. Perhaps in terms of modern-day utility, we can interpret it as a warning to always check primary sources, not trust someone else to have accurately or honestly arranged six lines of text from a third party.

(Unfortunately for rms, the primary sources don't actually make him look that good in this situation, since he decided to "um actually" a conversation about rape).


I believe this is what is being referred to https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec2...


It was written by an engineer who didn't know who Stallaman is and works for the US military.


I don't see how a person's employment in the military is relevant here.


Yes. They got rid of RMS based on slander and libel.

They are no long relevant to Free Software.


and truth and past actions.


what truth and past actions? seriously I see lots of vague references but no one actually links to anything concrete. I get a very "it is known" vibe here, which is usually baseless.


Please just stop with the libel. Either present evidence or stop defaming people.


First hand accounts are evidence. That you dislike or disbelieve them doesn't make them libelous, it just means you don't want to believe firsthand accounts of bad actions by a person you admire.


Pretty sure she was saying that hand-wavey statements like "he's done bad things in the past" are libelous, not people talking about their experiences. Regardless: there's another option here, where you don't dislike or disbelieve anyone, including rms. Just keep that in mind.


It's very difficult for me to square "these are libelous hit pieces" with not disbelieving people when said libelous hit pieces reference firsthand accounts.

Said handwavey statements are also not libelous, at all. Libel is a high bar.


What is being said about RMS is easily hitting the UK standard for libel including actual harm being inflicted.

Please provide any first hand accounts of actual behaviour that justify what you said. I've yet to see any.


Luckily, no one involved is in the UK.

> 2. Richard Stallman has been contributing to a negative environment for women at MIT for over thirty years.

From the original article, contains a number of quotes from witnesses and people who felt uncomfortable or harassed due to Stallman's behavior over a span of ~20 years while he was at MIT.

Then there's this[1], this one where he argued about the re-inclusion of an abortion joke in code because his code is inherently political[2][3], Stallman apparently violating the policies at a conference he attended and going unpunished (which is a common occurrence)[4]. People have been complaining about his casual sexism publicly for decades[5].

And I'll remind you that the "charge" here, insofar that there is one, is that "Stallman behaves in a way unbecoming of a leader of the free software movement and other organizations". There's ample evidence here that he repeatedly and continually refuses to communicate with others in common ways, instead he invents his own language (no really, he has a personal dictionary on his website) and when his counterproductive communication methods cause confusion or pain on the part of others, he is generally unapologetic and unwilling to correct them.

[1]: https://twitter.com/bella_velo/status/1172524864193945603

[2]: https://twitter.com/alicegoldfuss/status/993677847280562178 (I remember people complaining about this one at the time), https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2018-05/msg00001.html for the entire thread

[3]: Remember this one the next time you say code isn't political!

[4]: https://wwahammy.com/on-safety-at-libreplanet/

[5]: https://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2009/07/emailing-richard...


Nothing here justifies what you said.


My original claim was simply "firsthand accounts are evidence". Your said there wasn't evidence. I provided firsthand accounts. Multiple ones. You are now apparently claiming that these firsthand accounts are not evidence. This is a simple falsehood. You may disbelieve these accounts, but they are still evidence. And they justify what I said: evidence exists.


These are not firsthand accounts. Nor are they accounts of actual bad behavior.

There is nothing in what you posted that merits me believing or disbelieving.

I engaged with your defamation in good faith. You provided no evidence of any bad behaviour so there is nothing more to discuss than you apologizing.

I won't be engaging further.

Edit: wow you even reposted the original hit piece.


Please explain for each example I posted, including those from the original article[1], how it isn't a firsthand account, and why the behavior is acceptable.

I went to the work of providing specific examples, it would be polite for you to specifically and precisely explain why you think they're bad. You have repeatedly avoided giving specific reasons that the examples I provided are acceptable, instead you have claimed that these examples aren't evidence, with no accompanying reason. This is not a good faith interaction by you. It's avoidance of actually addressing the evidence provided. Since it's so bad, addressing it should be quick and easy.

Edit:

> Edit: wow you even reposted the original hit piece.

Of course I did! My statement was that the original article referenced firsthand accounts. That's a true statement. There are attributed quotes. Do you deny the existence of those quotes? Like, they're there in the article.

[1]: quoted in this https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-appendi...


Please provide some first hand accounts. No one has done so yet. I've seen plenty of second hand rumors etc but no one has put their name to any of them as the originator.


Is there a way to donate to GNU directly? Seems like through the FSF is the only way and after their recent actions I'm not willing to do that.


What? What is happening there?


The last message I saw before it was switched to private was a message from the moderators along the lines that r/blizzard is not the right place to discuss politics, and that they'll ban people who post politics there.


It's inconvenient for moderators of fora when the topic of the forum suddenly takes a political action, if they don't want politics discussed in their forum.


Your English is fine. You could work a little on plurals vs singular forms of nouns if you want to present yourself as a native speaker. But your post was very understandable.


> How often do you realize you can't go from point A to B because it's impossible to street walk anymore?

Never. Literally never. I live in a European city though.

Edit: In the City I live in there are literally no cases where I can't walk if I have time and inclination. Norway has taken a different approach to city planning to the US.


As much as we can rightly poke fun at Americans over here in Europe about this I've found Europeans really underestimate how much we're adopting American-style suburbs because they just haven't been to those areas.

Case in point, here's a 30 minute walk (5 minutes by car) for someone to literally cross the road in Oslo: https://goo.gl/maps/PFTnTrprKjiDrE7y8

Sure you can walk that if you have time & inclination, but unless you're willing to spend an hour just on crossing the street you're going to drive there.

This wasn't even hard to find, I just zoomed in pretty much the first freeway in the Oslo area I could find and saw what it would take to cross it for someone living on the other side.


Google maps routing is rubbish for walking and cycling in Oslo. There is a tunnel under that road...


where? can't see it


OsmAnd recommended a 15 minute walk that goes under the road.


That's a pretty peculiar example - the big box furniture store in your example is actually outside Oslo and you have farmland as the closest neighbor north and south of both locations.

Nobody is talking about banning cars from areas like that, just from the city center.


Some of Europe went whole hog on emulating US suburbs. Sadly Dublin is a fantastic, walkable city surrounded by seas of unwalkbale suburbia.


I’m jealous. I’ve lived in California oregon and Washington my whole life. You basically can’t walk to most nearby locations because of freeways, interstates, etc. In my current city there’s only two stores I can walk to because I’m walled in by major streets/freeways


To be clear, there is no way to pass those streets/freeways on foot or by bike? As in no pedestrian crossing?

That's shitty planning. I've never seen such a place in Europe.


There's a lot of amusing YouTube videos of tourists attempting to holiday there without a car, here's a good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEAVSGYuhCY

This sort of thing exists in Europe too, try walking out of an airport sometime, you can in some countries, but e.g. in Malaga I had to run across a highway because there was literally no way to get out of there otherwise, there simply aren't any footpaths.


In Copenhagen the airport has bike racks - its a 20 minute cycle to the city center.


Sure, and similarly you can easily bike to the airport here in Amsterdam. But let's not jump from "in Europe" to the two cities widely recognized as having the best bicycling infrastructure on the continent. I've spotted somewhat of a trend here on HN of Europeans generalizing about the whole continent based on experiences in a relatively small part of Western Europe.


My comment was meant more in the spirit, "It doesn't have to be like that. There are better solutions".


I was talking about a french city, so it still happens. Depends.


Interestingly Y2K is not over. In Norway for example the national insurance number has year as a two digit string. A small number of people every year find themselves in a position where the state considers them as eligible to for instance re-attend kindergarten... At some point in the 21st century duplicate numbers may start being issued.

There will be long tail of repercussions to using two digit years for most of the rest of the century.


There's also the 2038 problem [1] although it apparently is mostly an issue with embedded systems. It's not clear that it's a particularly widespread problem but that's mostly just based on the fact that there doesn't seem to be much discussion about it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem


There's also the Y2036 problem which is part of Y2038, and other issues in 2028, 2040, 2042, 2048, 2050, 2079, 2080, 2100, 2106, 2108, 2137, 2262, 10,000, 32,768 and 65,536 - although I'm sure by the time we reach the latter end of the list we'll have replaced the affected systems ;)


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