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Something with a name reminiscent of the Atlantic Ocean.

OMEMO has superseded xmpp for a while now.

I agree with those concerns while also recognizing they also apply to virtually all of the technology we are using to argue right now.


Amazing! Perhaps my project here would interest you. Also do you have bonjour support?

https://github.com/gatlin/pii


Pii is interesting!

pi-msg doesn't support bonjour, I'm running it on a nixos server (nix is the real secret ingredient of my whole setup) the xmpp server is the same machine as the agents. I'm almost always on a different network to the one where the server is. If the server goes down the agents and ejabberd are coming down simultaneously.


Lennart Poettering will not rest until all software is completely unusable.




I never understood this: the Palestinian children whose family and limbs are torn from them for Israeli sport are also Semites. It seems like the ultimate erasure to claim "antisemitic" for only Jews.


Etymologically you're correct that semites refers to [all] people from middle east and horn of Africa. But the label is from the European perspective, where it was used to refer to Jews. I'm sure that if they'd had a say in it, they would not have referred to themselves as Jews.

But yeah, there is indeed some irony in the term "antisemitism" in the context you describe


European origin jews are not semites btw. Antisemitism is a misnomer, when they refer to antisemitism they refer to Jews only.


Semitic does not refer to people nor to a race of people, but to a family of languages including Hebrew and Arabic. The man who coined the term "antisemitic" used it to describe his own views which were specifically anti-Jew.

The only erasure is the attempt to diffuse the term to include Akkadians, Amharics, Carthaginians, Phoenicians, Black Israelites, adherents to the Nation of Islam, all 1.3 billions Arabs, what-have-you, when it always and only ever referred to anti-Jew hatred.


There is no such thing as a "semite." It's an archaic racial category that 19th century German race science used since "anti-semite" sounds more scientific than "Jew hater." Consequently, that's why it's applied to Jews rather than a larger pseudoscientific racial group.

(More broadly, "they're semites too" is the "Elon Musk is African American" of I/P discourse. You can recognize extraordinary human tragedy without re-using race science.)


Speakers of Semitic languages are Semitic. This isn't controversial, unclear, or irrelevant.


I don’t know why you would assert this like it’s any of those things. You can look it up if you don’t believe me; you would be considered extremely weird for talking about “Semites” as a coherent racial or ethnic category around anthropologists.

(By comparison: nobody who isn’t a racist talks about Japhetites or Hamites, but these are the coextensive groups implied by the existence of Semites.)


I have simply referred to speakers of Semitic languages. You are the one concerned about whether this group comprises some kind of orthodox taxonomic grouping.


Speakers of Semitic languages are not "Semites" either.

I'm sorry for responding as though we were using the received definition, because we're now solidly in the "Elon Musk is African American" quadrant of stupid I/P meta-arguments.


"sanctuary from muslim massacres" I hope you at least get paid to support genocide. Doing it for free would somehow be worse.


Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


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I replied to the other user before I replied to you.

You both broke the rules, and we end up banning accounts that won't stop doing that, regardless of which side of which issue they are on.


I have no influence on what choices you make or in particular whom you choose to ban. This conversation thread is old so of course I won't be stoking it anymore. In the future, though, if I am banned it will not be because I correctly discerned malice and called it out; but rather because someone in power wants to pretend one can be neutral on this topic. Sincerely, have a beautiful day.


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I don't think they contested your claim, but rather highlighted the hypocrisy.


I believe you but I'm interested in the studies mentioned in your first sentence.


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