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Stability - I'm not sure that any of the current lua port drivers are terribly robust. Even if they were, it's easier to reason about the behaviour of Erlang code than native code within the VM.


The negative cache time is defined by the SOA minimum field. Forward cache times are defined at the RR set level.


Please prove this assertion by posting the address of a resolver that behaves as you describe.


There are more polite and productive ways of asking for proof of the phenomenon. Or, better yet, use Google the way it was meant to be used, and find out for yourself (just search for stories about DNS migration/propagation issues). People have documented visits to their old IP addresses for a very long time (much longer than the TTL) after updating their DNS with new IP addresses.


I don't see how you could construe my comment as being in anyway impolite.

Google does not turn up any useful results for this subject. The only reference I've seen to resolvers doing something unusual with caching is on the dns-operations mailing list where I ran into a fellow who doesn't cache records with a TTL less than a minute.

Since you claim it is simple to find a resolver that extends the TTL beyond what the authoritative server has specified, can you please point me to such a resolver?

EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm after a server that I can query or something equally authoritative.

EDIT2: My apologies if this is seen as belaboring but please note that nicksuan's comment is not referring to CPE, stub resolvers or client apps.


Your original comment is impolite because it is presented as a demand without any explanation. A demand of proof without explanation can be interpreted as an accusation of lying. Something like, "I haven't seen this phenomenon myself; could you link to some example bad ISPs or articles documenting it?" would be much better.

As for proof, I'm not a professional sysadmin, but based on my reading the most proof you're likely to get is indirect proof in the form of requests to IP addresses long after they've been removed from DNS. If those requests are concentrated in a few ISP subnets, it's reasonable to infer that it's the ISP, not customer equipment, that is caching beyond TTL.


Your interpretation of my original comment seems extremely hypersensitive to me. Perhaps there is cultural difference at play here.

The experience I've had in hosting ten-thousand odd zones suggests that these resolvers do not exist. I've seen a great many claims but am yet to actually see a resolver that extends TTLs in the wild and so I consider them all but myth.

In the past there has been issues at the client - predominately with browsers, MTAs and stub-resolvers - so if I were to observe activity that suggested a stale cache I'd be more likely to attribute it to a bug (be it new or old) if no other data were available.


I really fail to see how this is user error.

That isn't what the parent comment said.


Your knowledge may be obscuring the bigger picture here. I suspect the general public wouldn't behave the way you would - the only spill I've ever seen resulted in the user turning the machine over and furiously shaking it. That this is the only spill I've seen in 16 odd years of being around laptops and using laptops suggests to me that for a company like Apple optimising for spills wouldn't be a priority.


A company like apple optimises for good looks. We all knew that and we have proof since Antennagate; don't try to deny that.

After breaking my second laptop with fluids (first was ruined with coffee; second with it standing in water, which was rain accumulated in my not properly closed "watertight" bag) I started buying Thinkpads. They have specially designed "Fluid drains". Because all laptop manufacturors know that spills are one of the highest death-causes for laptops. http://youtu.be/d7cvi00OZDM


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