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I think the US is past being "fair" with China, and I believe this is a very good thing. The Chinese are cheating in every arena with everything they've got, and being fair only plays into their hands.


The US has been cheating, bigger, better and longer.

We seem to agree that this is not about fair trade, but that is what Trump is calling the whole thing.


Name one thing where US is cheating? US invents china steals that the only truth. Name one thing chinese have invented? Dont tell me gun powder, something latest.


> Name one thing where US is cheating?

It is an open secret that the US has waged wars and authorized covert action for economical purposes, eg. for control over oil.

> Name one thing chinese have invented?

Electronic cigarettes, passenger drones, synthetic bovine insulin, and the Nobel prize-winning Malaria drug Artemisinin.

(Not that I believe that Chinese companies were not lax with US IP, but that you try to instill the idea that China cannot invent and that the US does not mess international trade, which is not quite true.)


That’s funny, the British used to say the same thing about the US during the industrial revolution where America didn’t respect British IP.

Hollywood exists because California didn’t respect IP from eastern states.

So, stealing is the winning strategy it seems.


Seems rather binary.


Why do you think it so automatically likely that China wins?


At my company, I don't have a staff of engineers to productionalize things so I have to do it myself.


Exactly correct. The history of the United States is marred with some horrible events. But that does not change the fact that there is a large faction within the Chinese government that views the US as an enemy and second rate power that must be humbled. The US should recognize this and act accordingly.


I don't dispute that, but I'm not personally concerned about them. We have our own hawks and would-be world-beaters.

I'm also not concerned about China econimically annexing Africa. It's between them, and you can't say the West has been terrific friends to the nations and peoples of that continent, can you?

And I think the renaissance of the Silk Road would be amazing. A massive river of wealth and culture spanning the whole of Eurasia, vibrant and alive again after ages fallow. Merv was considered the most beautiful city in the world for centuries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merv

My issue is with things like the sabre-rattling in the South China Sea, and the attempt to establish a stable society through mass mind-control and thought-policing. To my mind the legitimacy of the Communist government comes solely from the performance of the CCP in maintaining order. I think working toward economic well-being is a fine way to maintain order; but trying to cover up the "June Fourth Incident" is incredibly, wildly foolish.

YC just announced that they are going into China, and all I could think of was, what will you say when they ask you to call it the "June Fourth Incident" instead of "Tienanmen Square Massacre"? You're not naive, you must see that moment in the future, or have some idea to dodge it somehow? Will you kowtow?

To sum up, I like China and Chinese people; I don't like the CCP but only because of personal beliefs and preference; I don't think I'm capable of judging something so huge, that tries to run such a large and old nation. Nevertheless, some of their policies seem to me to be both odious and self-defeating. I'm alarmed that such an important source of world stability as the government of China might be acting foolishly. I mean, if we are going to elect a human cartoon character to our highest office I hope somebody is going to try to act like a grown-up, eh? The last thing the world needs is for the CCP to try to get into a dick-measuring contest with us in the sea, or demand to control the information everyone sees, or round people up into camps. Let's all settle down and make some money, because it's going to be expensive to cope with the weather from here on out, for everybody.


YC going into China just proves that they have no ethics and morals


I've been lurking here for 10 years. For most of that time I was employed as an electrical engineer.

Why should people who are interested in high quality technical discussion surprise you with their presence?

"Hacker" used to mean a lot more than "software developer".


I heard this gem a couple of weeks ago:

"Don't engineer things to failure."

When you find yourself saying "I ought to be able to generalize this", that's when you need to stop and just write the code you need to write NOW. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.


This sounds like an article of faith.

Do you really want to have faith in a place that is likely ephemeral?

People once had this same degree of faith in the technology corridor of New Jersey.


> People once had this same degree of faith in the technology corridor of New Jersey.

Or a more sinister example: Detroit


True, but that's only for the F-35A. The other two variants are more expensive per copy due to their lower production numbers.


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