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Cambridge Analytica got their data through a paid quiz that didn't fully disclose to the user what their friends and own data were going to be used for.

It almost certainly broke EU data laws, and CA referred to their data operations as 'propaganda' when speaking to clients. https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/19/cambridge-analytica-chan...


> If that was true, why did his university send him a warning letter that essentially confirms his concerns? He consulted a lawyer on the matter, he confirmed them as well.

The Canadian Bar Association which represents over 37,000 lawyers, judges, notaries, law associates, law professors and students across Canada says this is a good thing and not the freedom of speech slippery slope that its been made out to be.

https://www.cba.org/CMSPages/GetFile.aspx?guid=be34d5a4-8850...


The FCC and Ajit Pai have done a truly shit job of managing PR on this. Instead of addressing concerns and actually speaking to the angry. He went on The Daily Caller to make... this... http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/13/ajit-pai-wants-you-to-know...

The pro-NN crowd have turned this complex debate over an imperfect policy to a good-versus-evil battle over flipping a single legal switch and Ajit Pai is completely fueling that.


Title II is an 80 year old telephone rule that was stretched and deformed to fit the internet. Congress needs to pass real legislation that's specific to the needs of the internet.


The 4th amendment is a 270 year old rule that is "stretched and deformed" to fit personal electronic devices too. In either case, we don't need a specific law for each use-case as technology evolves.


Yes. Congress-critters try to have their cake and eat it too by punting to the regulators and claiming to the voters it is out of their hands. Dereliction of duty.

(Not that I would necessarily like to see the horse-cum-camel design-by-committee solution these grifters would negotiate their way too...)


"But the offer alarmed Swedish media companies, which warned that the deal gave Facebook an advantage over competitors, and Telia an edge over other telecom operators."

ISP's have a million and one other ways to be anti-competitive. Example, in New Zealand, one of the major ISP's runs 'Lightbox' a streaming competitor. If you sign up to any of their plans, you get free Lightbox.

This incentives the customer to not use other streaming services. You can talk about zero-rating all day long but no amount of neutrality regulation will prevent something like the example above from happening. What happens if Comcast decides that Hulu Plus will be free with their broadband? It has the same effect as if Comcast decided to zero-rate Hulu on their network.

For their to be real changes in the American ISP market, you need competition.


Well...if they are treating all traffic equally then the only advantage the ISP has is bundling. That's a marketing advantage, but not a total competition killer. Amazon bundles streaming with free delivery subscriptions.

Not treating traffic equally would mean they could eliminate Netflix as competition for their customers. That's worse. Same for mail, social networking, news, dating etc. Video is just more pertinent in 2017.

The big thing to protect is always categories that don't exist yet.

Competition helps, but infrastructure markets are always suboptimal.


It wouldn't give an ISP advantage over other ISPs, but that doesn't matter because ISPs are for the most part regional monopolies. It would give Hulu Plus an advantage over other streaming video services, though.


There aren't marketing advantages in markets who have no other choice for ISP.


Well, we aren't going to get competition.

Destroying net neutrality regulations? Check. Destroying the regulations that protect the telecom monopolies? That can wait... forever.


> regulations that protect the telecom monopolies?

curious, what is an example of this?


Many states have passed laws that prevent local governments from creating municipal Internet services. Since Internet service is textbook inter-state commerce, the federal government would have authority to override those laws.


>the federal government would have authority to override those laws.

Yea i guess thats more of an example of inaction. I was looking for a specific regulation that helps telecom companies.


That's exactly the problem: selective actions favoring the monopolists are pursued aggressively (e.g. demolition of Net Neutrality), while actions which might actually harm monopolists are deferred indefinitely. Thus the effect of supposed "deregulation" is to deliver the market to the monopolists.


Yes but I was referring to comment saying there are current regulations that helps telecom monopolies that govt needs to destroy but it isn't. I was wondering what those regulations are that need to be destroyed.


I'm confused. Isn't that exactly what this is?

> current regulations that helps telecom monopolies that govt needs to destroy but it isn't

There are regulations at the state level. The federal government has the authority to stop these regulations. Yet they don't.

Whether the bad regulation was implemented by state or federal government seems rather inconsequential.


State laws that outlaw the creation of municipal ISPs.


> What happens if Comcast decides that Hulu Plus will be free with their broadband?

Maybe they could be sued like Microsoft was for offering IE with Windows.


I think this is a reason not to allow ISPs to do any business that might conflict with their main business, like say ISPs owning a TV network, whose content passes through its cables.


More or less like the Three-tier system (alcohol distribution) in the USA? Large brewers cannot distribute their own product.

That might of helped prevent, unproven, Intel from exploiting Anti-Competitive tactics since DELL and HP would of had to go through a distribution company instead of Intel.


I've always been under the impression that smaller brewers are harder hit by this than larger brewers, as they have to convince distributors to carry their product, which was really difficult prior to the craft brew craze.


That's where net neutrality comes in, so you don't have to convince ISPs not to throttle your streaming service.

Also, I'm having trouble imagining a small streaming service getting into the ISP business in order to reach a couple thousand people when they can reach hundreds of millions through the internet.

A small ISP getting into the streaming business to provide local content is less outlandish, but still seems rare; I think that's a reasonable price to pay, particularly given that the status quo makes it prohibitively difficult for small ISPs to exist at all, in many places.


This is the correct answer. Anything past this point is on the slippery slope.


You don’t even need to ban bundling. Just require that customers be permitted to decline bundled services and receive the full-price discount.


What's the full price when the product is only sold in the bundle?


A price in line with what it costs them to provide that service. If they price it lower than that it is illegal dumping.


I'm not sure that would be feasible; in a case like this, doing a reverse "hollywood accounting" would be easy. The bandwidth is "free", since it runs on their existing network. The content is "free", since it's included in their TV licensing. What can you impute just to the service? A bit of storage and a few hours of software development, divided by all their customers. That's probably about ten cents or so.


"Bundled content has no cash value if declined."


So, effectively the same thing, but slightly less pro-consumer?


> What happens if Comcast decides that Hulu Plus will be free with their broadband?

Right now Comcast cable TV is pretty close to free with their broadband, is that any different?

Overall Europe and NZ seem to have better broadband available at better prices than the USA. They also dont have net neutrality so you can't say that NN is definitely good.


Good point. ISPs do not want to be dumb pipes because frankly there's no money in that. Every ISP is looking at the lucrative media market, bundling their own services.


Just installed. Everything seems to be stable enough. A few little niggles, on Android, the OPML export is a bit finnicky. I was using Pocket Casts and it pops up a Share menu for you to export so I had to export to my file manager first before then selecting it. The app's interface is functional but could do with some polishing, for example, you can't rearrange your set of favorite podcasts.

Biggest annoyance for me thus far is loading speed. It always takes at least a second or so to load up a page. Seems like a small thing but it has an impact overall.


I'll go ahead and second this. I'm going through and echoing my all time favorites which is painfully slow without caching. On a related point that others have already mentioned, a PWA would likely not suffer from this performance issue.


hey zukken, are you using Android as well? just looking to confirm it is an android only issue. Also saw your other comment, just tried emailing myself using my second email and it worked. (just to confirm it's dan@echopodcasts.com)


Thanks for the info, I will be working on caching in the next version to speed up page loading.


The data doesn't need to be kept though. It can be requested, checked, verified and erased.


Unless there are compliance audits.


It was such a stupid decision for them to combine their opinion and editorial section with Comment Is Free. The latter being pretty trashy most of the time.


> It isn't news. It's propaganda. NYTimes and WaPo have been spearheading a political/propaganda campaign against social media ( fb, reddit, youtube, etc ) to reign them in. Traditional media has been trying to get social media to fall in line for nearly a decade.

This gives these media companies way too much credit. If they had this much self-awareness and intelligence they wouldn't have been caught out by the rise of social media in the first place.

"Traditional media" has had hundreds of years to get it's business model down and comfortably integrated into society, so of course new media is having the lion's share of the problems which is being reported on. This should all be totally obvious and expected - it's not really a massive conspiracy - it's innovative business models forcing new problems into the open. Facebook, YouTube and Twitter have been in the public consciousness for less than 15 years.


> This gives these media companies way too much credit.

I'm not giving it any credit.

> If they had this much self-awareness and intelligence they wouldn't have been caught out by the rise of social media in the first place.

That would be giving it too much credit.

Traditional media is just protecting its own turf. Or it is trying to.


Very very notable comment.

One of the first remarks from Blackberry's CEO when he first saw an iPhone was; “They’ve put a Mac in this thing,”. https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/excerpt-...


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