>sql alternative #1427904 that absolutely nobody will ever use

Love it or hate it, sql is a standard and there is a ton of knowledge (stackoverflow answers, books, tutorials) and tooling (query builders, orms). This is either hopelessly naive, or hopelessly arrogant.

Doesn't understand the difference between free-lance software engineer and indentured gypsy cab driver.

...not going to make it.

Rightful king of the top comment.

I got a phone that is just usb-c. Carrying around the adapter sucks, and Bluetooth is an even bigger pain in the ass.

It's easier to pull out a soapbox and make ridiculous speeches like these, than to actually make a gui application.

If you're making something for free or for fun, then let curiosity guide you. Bureaucrats like yourself can comment all you want. I'll be making applications.

He's not a bureaucrat. He's a blind person who, I'm sure, has been frustrated many times at the inaccessibility of an application that he needed or wanted to use. So go ahead and make your applications, but please try not to block people who need and want to use them.

Great point. You could say that the "lies" are propaganda, as much as the advertisement that they are the vehicle for. Inundated with this much propaganda, which points to the impotence of the individual, no wonder we're seeing so much mass unrest.

Ah yes, the "computer as glorified typewriter" blog post. Needless to say, I think these appeal to people because:

Encourage consumption (of old/novelty hardware)

Promise of "productivity" (the holy grail for hn commenters)

A pip on your shoulder for being different/special

Deflect from the hard problems internet addiction and procrastination, to "hey do this instead"

Love to see the Perl team discussing these issues in such a thoughtful way. Over the years I have learned to value stability and backwards compatibility, through hard lessons (which were often quite expensive to my employer). But no one value is good or bad, per se, rather they should be selected carefully: and that is the point I took away from this article.

I still use tcl/tk and it's still the best choice for apps of modest requirements, in my opinion.

It's stable (unlike gtk), and truly free (unlike qt, which is also a c++ behemoth). It's utterly simple and elegant.

This is the comment I wish I had made. The transition from 2 to 3 was terrible for end users, distros, and app developers. I wonder if redhat is trying to embrace/extend/extinguish because it's impossible for me to see gtk (and gnome) teams actions as anything less than overtly hostile.

Please don't. It's getting rather boring to see the baseless conspiracy theories that show up whenever an article is posted about gtk, gnome or systemd. Apparently they're trying to embrace extend extinguish their own business now?

When 1 company is responsible for the most cancerous, complicated, baroque, developer-hostile libraries? I think it's fine to ask these questions.

Would you create a new open-source desktop application using gtk4? Would you want to package and maintain systemd/pulse/etc?

Also: why are you responding to all the critical comments in the thread, and writing dismissive replies?

Please don't make these inflammatory comments either, it adds nothing to the discussion. You're in the thread of a GTK release announcement making these comments, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish but I doubt it's going to be constructive. I've used GTK for a few projects, it's not perfect but the conspiracy theories and aggression are unwarranted. Nobody is out to get you. At worst, as a developer you can ignore it and use Qt instead and it won't affect you.

Personally I would rather make a new toolkit, but it takes many years and many contributors to make a decent one. GUI toolkits are a complex business. Don't discount the amount of work that was already done on GTK or Qt, there are some serious lessons you can learn from those codebases.

Agreed.

Also, systemd seems similarly hostile and is also from redhat.

Wayland... does seem to be solving some real problems, but the transition hasn’t been going well either.

StatusIcon and AppIndicator is extremely annoying.

Clientside decorations, ridiculous headerbar, button+hamburger menus, etc, etc. They are trying their absolute hardest to copy Mac os, and making sure everyone's stuff breaks in the meantime.