The major thing I like is being able to use it from telegram. Its a different usage model.

It feels like a co-worker.

Huh... I never thought about it like that. I had no interest in using OpenClaw, but my coworkers are extremely dumb and inconsistent. OpenClaw might be comparable.

Openclaw did what no major model producer would do. Release insanly insecure software that can do whatever it wants on your machine.

If openai had done it themselves, immediate backlash.

Is it? You basically got 95% of the way there with Claude Code inside of a container. People were using CC outside of development scope for awhile.

> You basically got 95% of the way there with Claude Code inside of a container.

OpenClaw and Claude Code aren't solving the same problems. OpenClaw was about having a sandbox, connecting it to a messenger channel, and letting it run wild with tools you gave it.

A messenger and ssh'ing into Claude Code from your phone aren't that much different.

I’m not an OpenClaw user but it’s obvious that OpenClaw was very different than that.

OpenClaw was about having the agent operate autonomously, including initiating its own actions and deciding what to do. Claude Code was about waiting for instructions and presenting results.

“Just SSH into Claude Code” is like the famous HN comment that didn’t understand why anyone was interested in DropBox because you could do backups with shell scripts.

You have used Claude though? Or codex or antigrav? backups seem different

The real magic is heartbeat which is essentially cron on steroids. The real difference between running Claude Code in the terminal and OpenClaw is that the agent is actually intuitive and self-driven.

People would wake up to their agent having built something cool the night before or automate their workflow without even asking for it.

Is the idea it can't handle 24hr+ tasks? I know Codex can do heartbeat but I haven't tested the limits of its heart.

That’s what CC does…I don’t need a messenger wrapper to do those things.

Major producers like OpenAI optimize for safety and brand reputation avoiding backlash. Open source projects optimize for raw capability and friction less experimentation. It is risky yes, but it allows for rapid innovation that strictly aligned models can't offer.

Life reads a lot like satire now.

Loving AI bots. Killing yourself based on what an AI bot says.

Its hard to believe any of this is real or should be.

Google also has the most to lose.

Is this for people who haven't read the docs on how to instruct the agent on common setups and preferences?

They're using odd language to justify their position. "Wage growth"?

Do they mean "real wage growth"? Because that got worse under Biden.

100%

Personal experience: In my town a public parking lot could not be built due to it possibly being "endangered moth" habitat.

There are places where you can still build things in the US, but they are more and more scarce.

Are you arguing that USA can no longer build parking lots due to environmental concerns? If so, that would indeed be remarkable since parking lots seem to be the facility that almost every US town has been able to build more than enough of.

You are the consumer, not the developer. As such, you have extreme survivorship bias.

Unless you're a developer/builder you have no concept of the projects KILLED by bureaucracy.

All you see is what was allowed to be built.

I’d like to see parking lots go extinct.

Reading the comments here people seem to care more about what is "good" for the individual than what is good for the institution.

If you have learning disability that requires "assistance" at an elite university, then why can't I play in the NBA with stilts while being allowed to double dribble and travel?

Sure would be awesome for me to play in the NBA! Probably wouldn't be good for the NBA though.

The problem with public schools is that they are free and required (essentually). That is a bad combination.

There is really nothing intrinsically good about the average public school. Many are filled with kids that aren't there to learn. From the attitudes seen in this forum, that seems to be OK, because school is paradoxically about "socializing", while most here report being bullied.

As noticed here many home schoolers have religious reasons for their choice. The reason is simple, "Don't send your children to Ceasar and then be upset when they come home as Romans".

> Many are filled with kids that aren't there to learn.

That's on the kid, not contingent on whether school is public.

> most here report being bullied.

Anecdotes like this are not worth much. What do the stats say?

> There is really nothing intrinsically good about the average public school.

Schools don't just socialize, though that is also important. Whether they succeed at educating well depends on more than one factor, but policy & curriculum is clearly one. Kids are better prepared in some countries than others, still through public systems.

If people want to homeschool, let them. Public school should still be assessed accurately.

>That's on the kid, not contingent on whether school is public.

Yes and no. The interest of the kid to learn is on the kid/family, for sure.

However, the fact that a kid who has no interest in learning is forced to go to public school is a function of how public schools operate.

Again, free and required is a bad model. They should either be free and selective or, less ideally, available and costly.

You're assuming that school is decidedly negative if at the outset a kid doesn't "have an interest" in learning. I disagree.

> Again, free and required is a bad model. They should either be free and selective or, less ideally, available and costly.

This is a good way to ensure the most vulnerable members of your society don't get educated. But I suppose that might be a feature to some people.

Educated or babysat?

> it is a cheaper alternative to private school

That depends. Often it means one parent stays home to educate and watch the kids, otherwise, someone else has to, and that usually costs money. If a wife otherwise would bring home a decent salary, then it isn't cheaper.

I literally said in my comment, for people who don't make so much that the loss of one spouse income is so much more than the cost of school

You edited your comment, and also, this:

> e.g. most people

Is false.

Subtract the costs of daycare, summer camps, etc., etc. from that salary, and "decent" can become a pretty high bar.

https://www.childcareaware.org/families/cost-child-care/help... . In my country daycare is subsidized. Notwithstanding, it's not that high of a bar. Two-income households still bring in more net money despite expenses.

There is no "etc etc" in this context, we're talking about watching the kids while parents work.

I think it might be a reflection that there is no more power to run more chips, so chip sales will drop.