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I've never seen Google put out that vibe. If anything they're proud of it. I'm not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?


I just mean how they use the "Chrome" branding on everything, even Android-based devices like the Chromecast.


Exactly this. This situation has nothing to do with hackers or programming or even work of any kind. It's just about certain people who think differently when in certain situations and that leads people to label them "introverts" when in fact it's just that you can say their mental faculties lie elsewhere.


What exactly do you feel it's lacking?


Showing a route from one point to another, searching for POI is clunky. Adding markers doesn't work.


It's not good to attribute all that credit to iTunes. Amazon and Google may have been able to negotiate other terms. Because unlike Apple, neither Amazon or Google had a separate MP3 player and thus no incentive to enforce DRM.

Seems that every thread has someone claim that if it wasn't for Apple, X would never exist and I'm frankly tired of it.


Nokia is actually discouraging devs from using Windows Phone design patterns and encouraging Android design guidelines on the Nokia X.

http://developer.nokia.com/resources/library/nokia-x-ui/ux-c...


Design patterns for one platform make sense that they are downplayed where they don't fit.

Me ego was downplayed as WP came along, part of the game.

That said, this seems like an evolution of the saga low end line rather than the high end devices... Simply look at the cameras.


Substitute magazines instead of webpages and you've got an answer to one of the most famous interview questions.


dammit, when did trolls like this make their way to HN?


> ...and untold millions of lines of changes to the Linux kernel are kept secret and are not at all available to other Linux users or even to Linux contributors

Kept secret by whom?


By the people who made the changes but never had to release them, by NDAs that people sign before they work for web companies, etc. There is nothing in the GPLv2 that says, "All your changes must be released." What it says is that if you give a modified version to another person, your changes must be GPL'd also. Since web companies do not give modified versions of the kernel to others, they are not in any way obligated to make their changes available to others, and more often than not they do not make those changes available.


> By the people who made the changes but never had to release them, by NDAs that people sign before they work for web companies, etc.

This is complete nonsense. There is no proprietary, closed-source code in the Linux kernel.


Remember, recipients of GPL code (companies in this case) are not affected by the terms of the GPL until they redistribute the code themselves, until then they can add proprietary code all they want, run it on servers and never release a thing. They are completely free to USE the code however they wish.

So in this example, no cloud company has to release changes to their running linux kernel because it was never distributed to end users, or at all.

Same for all other GPL code running on servers, users of the service, loading web pages and using APIs, are not recipients of the code under the GPL, so they have no rights under the license.

If some company decides their changes to the kernel, or nginx, or apache, or php can be released because it won't destroy their business, they frequently do so. Otherwise you'll never hear about it and changes silently remain secret.


No, there is no proprietary code in the official kernel as distributed on kernel.org. There is a very long list of companies that have their own version of the kernel, which they keep to themselves, which contains their own proprietary changes, and which they never distribute to anyone else. There is no requirement whatsoever that you give your changes to Linux to anyone, there is only a requirement that your changes be GPL'd if you do choose to distribute them.


Feel free to change the subject, but don't pretend you're addressing the original topic, which is whether the Linux kernel is or is not open-source.


AOSP is open source, period. Just because Google apps aren't doesn't make the entire thing closed. The binary blobs and baseband firmware might as well be on any "open" phone. The issue here is not whether Android phones are open or not, it's whether phones in general can truly be "open" or not.


But if Walmart decides not to stock your item, there's still Target or somewhere else for a customer to go to to get it. But if Apple bans your app, the entire iOS userbase will never see it.


Well there's still Android or somewhere else for a customer to go get it. (Wait, did you write your app in Objective C?)


And web applications, which remain completely unrestricted.


You can still jailbreak, can't you?


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