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It’s “wort” and since the Vientnamese kegs aren’t pressurized with CO2, they will, in fact, spoil (oxidize) pretty quickly. It won’t kill you but it’ll taste like wet cardboard pretty quickly.


Well, I know Africa is sparsely populated but the poster really puts it into perspective.


How much is it?


They haven't released details but I was able to find a Solidigm D5-P5336 122.88TB drive for around 40,000 USD, as a guideline. So ... more than that.


Okay, so that 122TB drive costs about $330/TB.

I haven't bought a hard drive or an SSD in at least a decade (I get stuff for free, basically) but…that seems a bit high, right?

Seems like well-rated consumer-level SSDs cost around $250 for 1TB right now.

What accounts for the premium price/TB of these extremely high capacity enterprise-targeted drives?


> What accounts for the premium price/TB of these extremely high capacity enterprise-targeted drives?

Spare capacity, mostly. That’s why they have higher endurance. If you want to double the endurance of a given drive, tell the controller to allocate twice as many spare blocks and report less capacity than you would otherwise.

In this case, you are also paying a premium for the PCIe attachment instead of SAS, and a lot for price elasticity. You see, with drives like these you slash space and energy consumption in relation to HDDs by a large number, and that allows you to pay a premium for the device, because, at the end of its lifetime, it’ll have more than covered the cost difference in saved space and energy.


What accounts for the premium price/TB of these extremely high capacity enterprise-targeted drives?

The word "enterprise".


I fondly remember when i could buy a well-rated consumer-level SSD for a lot less per TB...


I paid $300 each for my last two SSDs, 4 TB Samsung 990 Pros.

They’re currently selling for $942.72 on Amazon.


> They’re currently selling for $942.72 on Amazon.

The price graphs of these are wild, wow. https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B0CHGT1KFJ

Looks like prices for NAND spiked at the end of last year, a couple of months behind DRAM.

Happy not to be building or buying any new computers these days.


What accounts for the premium price/TB of these extremely high capacity enterprise-targeted drives?

The extremely high capacity and the enterprise targeting.


Density, power efficiency, write endurance, sustained write speeds under continuous load, power-loss protection.


And out of band management, hot plug capable form factors, and a bunch of other things described in the OCP NVMe SSD spec.

https://www.opencompute.org/documents/datacenter-nvme-ssd-sp...


I was quoted $18K for a 3.7 TB Dell NVMe disk the other day. I'm gonna guess these drives are literally a quarter million each


> I was quoted $18K for a 3.7 TB Dell NVMe disk

surely you don't actually think that's realistic pricing?


What is "realistic" in this context?

It is very real, that is the price they quote. You can buy it through Dell at that price.


as in that it reflects market prices in any way. I feel like anybody who works in this field knows that Dell etc. rip off naive customers this way and you can either negotiate it back to reality or just buy 1 small drive and order your own separately


Various Dell prices from the US website:

  3.84TB SSD SAS ISE, Read Intensive, up to 24Gbps 512e 2.5in with 3.5in HYB CARR, AG Drive 
  Dell Price $8,825.13 /ea.

  3.84TB SSD SATA Read Intensive 6Gbps 512e 2.5in Hot-plug AG Drive,3.5in HYB CARR, 1 DWPD 
  Dell Price $7,893.91 /ea.

  3.2TB Enterprise NVMe Mixed Use AG Drive U.2 with carrier 
  Dell Price $6,596.39 /ea.
I don't see a 'write intensive' option (I only looked around for a few minutes), but I can imagine them being 2-4x those prices.


$200/TB is reasonable. $300 if it is VERY fast. That is just robbery.


You're getting ripped off. NVMe SSDs are expensive, but not THAT expensive. A 4Tb drive should be around $1k even with some "enterprise" markup.


Apparently $80k, not that terrible in comparison


4-5x times what it would have been if not for the demand from AI. According to my rough calculation 4-8tb ssd drives were going to reach parity with hdd this year


Likely $90k USD MSRP with a wholesale price around half that.

Dell is getting first dibs.


If you have to ask...


I don't think he wants to buy one


‘Contact us’


Food in Japan is incredibly cheap. I never paid more than $6 for noodles, sometimes just $2. In the US it’d be $12-$20 (and worse).


In recent years Japan has been cheap due to the weakness of the yen, which has been trending 160/1 USD. Just 10 years ago it was nearly twice as strong. When I visited a couple years ago (2 weeks in Tokyo/Osaka/Kyoto), everything seemed to be surprisingly cheap.

- Yes food, as well as alcohol, was quite cheap. Had very few meals that came out to more than $10, alcohol (about $3-4/drink) included.

- I purchased a couple pairs of running shoes that were about 30% cheaper than they were offered for sale in the US.

- I purchased an umbrella for $45 that sells in the US for $75.

- An all-access pass at their premier amusement park, Fuji-Q Highland, was only about $40 - when entry to comparable parks in the US can easily be twice as much.

- I recall the subway came out to around $1.50 a ride, roughly half what the NYC subway costs and the 1 and 3 day passes made it ridiculously cheap (IIRC something like $5/$10).

- I only used capsule hotels, but those were only $15 to up to $38 for a luxury one, almost all in desirable/touristy areas.

- I also took a look at apartments, and in decent areas in Tokyo you can find small apartments for about $1500 that would cost ~$3500 in Manhattan, or maybe $2000 in medium sized US city centers.


this is incredibly weird to read. once upon a time japan was notorious for its high food prices


Is that in comparison to the US? Because US food was cheaper than dirt in the past before all the food processing conglomerates decided to leverage their dominant market position to increase margins.


If you want to pay a lot for food you still can. I imagine this is the case anywhere. If you care to look, you can find an amazing meal on the cheap. If you don't, you may end up paying a few bucks for a single apple.


This is so strange to me. Hasn't Japan been printing money for like decades? How isn't their inflation completely out of control by now?


Your causality is backwards. The relatively loose monetary policy is because inflation (and economic activity) is too slow.


You're right. I ignored that OP was using USD. Brain fart.


Printing does not of its own cause inflation. In Japan it seems that efforts to inject money into the economy end up immediately stuck in low interest savings accounts.


Likewise… Israel has made southern Lebanon inhabitable. And large swaths of Palestine.


Get a tech degree, or be a loser forever!


But only from a university that has a top "Prompting" school. Otherwise your degree is worthless!


Those are no longer mutually exclusive options.


Yes


I hope so!


What are some alternatives?


VRChat is the most popular one. Age verification. User generated models. User generated worlds. Revenue sharing in worlds. For-sale models and props. It’s quite feature rich now.

Edit: fixed typo


Don't forget the deranged furries.


They're not all deranged! Some are completely productive, functional furries. Probably. Maybe.

Also, your statement is far too reductive! There's plenty of avatars with scales! Also, don't forget the anime girls that are actually middle-aged men and the occasional sentient burrito.


I prefer the remarkably -deep-voiced, tiny birds; the literal smoke alarms, and those who like to Pump Up the Jam, myself!


The suspiciously wealthy software developers, astronauts, pharmacists, game devs and artists that build high quality 3d models, Blender and Substance Painter tutorials and add-ons that prop up a good percentage of the VR headset market, Patreon market, and have a thriving artisan ecosystem?


Sure, but by furries for furries is a market. By normies, for... nobody? Isn't.


What do you expect? Did you see the movie ready player one? This kind of experience is ideal for furries and cosplay types and they featured in the movie too.

If you can be anything, it makes sense it attracts people who want to not be what they already are.


Sounds like normal Linux behavior to me


Not if they used Monero


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