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Finds evidence of cheating.

"Try not being so paranoid."


removing a bunch of the context of what i said does not somehow magically alter what i was expressing in my post.

that’s very bad faith, hn is better than that.


Oh are we not making bad faith arguments now?

This was the theory with the universities.


So I've taken a deep dive into the mind of the local fentanyl dealer. I feel every emotion he has. I'm motivated by his motivations. He doesn't want to go to jail for dealing fentanyl. He doesn't care about the people who die from using his fentanyl. What was the point of this exercise?


To demonstrate that you are in fact unable to deep dive into the mind of the local fentanyl dealer, who is probably a much more fascinating human being than the role you have attributed him in your thought experiment (or in your society) would ever permit you to comprehend.


So the point WAS to just make stuff up to excuse bad behavior!


Same as the point of "hey you! why are you not more empathetic! no i don't have to explain what that is!"


"I'm sorry ma'am. Your son is dead, but the drug dealer is FASCINATING. No you won't be able to tell."


Well, considering her son ended up on fentanyl, probably not very able to tell some things, yeah.

"I'm sorry kid, I know you probably have aspirations and all that shit, but due to a host of technical reasons we don't care about any of that. Here's this fentanyl instead, either shoot it or go sell it to the next loser. And say hi to your mom from me - she's an absolutely remarkable woman."


There goes that empathy. Glad you do in fact realize that dealing fentanyl is wrong. Not something fantastic people do.

Edit: After your edit you seem to have found a rationale for rounding up and executing drug dealers "because reasons" so I think we're all done here.


On re-read I may have been caught by Poe's Law here, in which case Thank God. I need sarcasm tags.


No, there's no Poe's Law involved; it's just that you're unlikely to permit yourself to empathize with anything else besides your ingroup. (Exactly as unlikely as you're meant to be; congratulations - there is some safety in numbers).

That's all rather revealing as to what this so called "empathy" actually is, and why of all possible ethical values this is the one which epitomes of uncaring choose to pay lip service to.

Circling back to your original strawmonster - no, I don't believe any particular disaffected youth has had any voice in whether society should go through an opioid epidemic. As to the actual people responsible, I'm sure you'd perceive them as having vivid, rich inner lives, not unlike your own.


> you're unlikely to permit yourself to empathize with anything else besides your ingroup.

But in your example you described an attitude of depraved indifference, which is exactly how I described the motivations of many drug dealers, including ones I know and that you do not.


Phone, please.

>But in your example you described an attitude of depraved indifference, which is exactly how I described the motivations of many drug dealers, including ones I know and that you do not.

You're pointing at a contradiction in "unlikely" or in "ingroup"?

>attitude of depraved indifference

We stock two flavors of indifference in the indifference truck, we got callous and then we got depraved. Callous is sans empathy, weighs one `compartmentalize()` call. Depraved is the one with the extra sprinkle of empathy, more precisely a dash of empathy with the victim in the very moment the indifferent person is screwing them over with their sheer indifference. So, not very indifferent anymore, but what some people go for anyway. Empathy is very poignant after all. Plus, observers are none the wiser. Now, how much flavor you prefer, that's kind of career-deciding innit


I see where you're coming from.


Lotta brand new accounts posting slop lately.


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Brand-new account posts slop. Gets defended with slop from brand-new account.


don’t worry, account age and moral viewpoints are only correlated, not linked causally! for instance, i’ve had an account for a long time and i also believe peter thiel is an evil man. it’s an easy logical fallacy to fall into! don’t feel bad for messing it up.


> watch as I undermine my own counterexample!


Google is also creepy.


And yet, nobody feels that so viscerally that they feel compelled to write these schoolyard-level insults directed at its leadership every time it comes up in a HN thread.


There was a ton of backlash when Glass launched. Search for "glassholes" to find articles on that topic from back then.


I remember that quite well. However, the backlash was very specific; as far as I remember it was never directed at the company as a whole, let alone the person of, say, Eric Schmidt.


Eric Schmidt didn’t present as a creepy weirdo. He also didn’t make the company a reflection of himself. That kept the glasshole backlash compartmentalized.

Strange things happen when a leader merges the company brand and with his personal brand. It can strengthen the company brand (in the case of a plucky can-do technologist) but the company brand starts to get colored by the personality of the person (in the case of a person who goes off the deep end and starts saying weird and inflammatory stuff).


Because Meta was and is whatever Zuckerberg wants it to be, due to his control of the majority of voting shares. It’s a direct reflection of his soul


There's something about Zuckerberg that annoys people - see the Onion back when facebook started https://theonion.com/the-smug-little-shit-behind-the-latest-...


To be fair, I feel compelled to do just that.


Probably the "dumb fucks" comment.


name checks out


I have chosen not to buy this coffee.


Conservatives outperform liberals in self-reported happiness and mental health when controlling for demographics.


“Outperform” is a strange way of putting this. When did happiness and mental health become a contest?


Happiness and health are objective goods, in this case quantified.


The question posed to you was "When did it become a contest?"


Are you looking for a date?


No, it's rhetorical to ask you "Why are you framing it as if it ever was?"

If happiness were a competition we should all be lining up for lobotomies and buying/finding as much sand as we can to bury our heads as deep as we can. But it's not. Conservatives haven't cracked any sort of code, and this line of questions was intended to draw you to this realization of your own accord. Instead, this.


> "Why are you framing it as if it ever was?"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45383599

> If happiness were a competition we should all be lining up for lobotomies

You can prevent cancers by jumping off a bridge. I wouldn't advise it.

> Conservatives haven't cracked any sort of code

except the, like, happiness code


It's probably directly linked to their higher level of religiosity.


This is observed among atheists.


What demographics and what does it mean to control them for statistics?


> What demographics

All of the ones you'd see most commonly: age, sex, race, religion, level of education, marital status, etc.

> control

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlling_for_a_variable


Full stop? Lol. The right-wing groyper theory is completely dead. Tyler Robinson is a leftist who killed in the name of his leftism. None of the evidence contradicts it.


What evidence do you have that he "killed in the name of his leftism?"

As far as I know, there is no evidence of a specific "leftist" motive and no connection has been found to "leftist" organizations. Bear in mind that many Christians were opposed to Charlie Kirk's politics, and right-wingers didn't feel he went far enough. So that alone isn't evidence of "killing in the name of his leftism."

The memes aren't hard evidence either, since they're just memes.


Yes, you're cherry-picking, hand-waving, and a week behind in the publicly known evidence.

I'd entertain steelman arguments for these theories using all available evidence but I've yet to see anyone do it.

At any rate, were a long way from "full stop" and you seem to be lashing out in the dark so I'm content to leave it here.


So no evidence then? Ok.


No you're just willfully ignorant.

Hey look! More memes!

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/three-injured-shooting-ice-...


This article appears to be about another person, I was asking about the person who shot Charlie Kirk. I know you only see an undifferentiated mass of "radical violent leftists" in your head but people actually are individuals and can have individual motives even when performing similar actions. Kirk's shooter did actually use memes, 'ANTI-ICE' as far as I know isn't a meme.

Also I thought you were leaving the thread. Here, let me show you how to actually do that.


But you've willfully ignored the evidence which shows they have somewhat similar motives. Glad you can at least admit the truth about this one.

See ya! Don't go posting any memes now!


> At this point his political views are still not clear.

Clear as day. Deranged leftist. No question. As someone who is even now wrong for the right reasons, I wonder if you think maybe the right-for-the-wrong-reasons crowd might have heuristics that are useful and lead to good decision making, and that you have rejected.


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