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So "not your personal army" == don't be a journalist?


No it was a stock response to proposals for board/site raids from people who had lost an argument or been banned and wanted to retaliate (but without offering comedy potential). Kinda like when corporate people discovered flash mobs and tried to use them for free marketing.


Note that it is possible only because harassment, abuse and raids happened so frequently, it was a well know fact.

Not exactly something that makes 4chan people into ethical or moral.


A thing about the site is that comments not threaded or ranked. When the site started getting a reputation you had a lot of tourist beggars coming in fishing for free labor. NYPA is about getting those people to stop cluttering the place with garbage.


I don't get this reasoning. Without LLMs I would learn how to write sub-optimal code that is somewhat functional. With LLMs instantly see "how it's done" for my exact problem case which makes me learn way faster. On top of that it always makes dumb mistakes which forces you to actually understand what it's spitting out to get it to work properly. Again: that helps with learning.

The fact that you can ask it for a solution for exactly the context you're interested in is amazing and traditional learning doesn't come close in terms of efficiency IMO.


> With LLMs instantly see "how it's done" for my exact problem case which makes me learn way faster.

No, you see a plausible set of tokens that appear similar to how it's done, and as a beginner, you're not able to tell the difference between a good example and something that is subtly wrong.

So you learn something, but it's wrong. You internalize it. Later, it comes back to bite you. But OpenAI keeps the money for the tokens. You pay whether the LLM is right or not. Sam likes that.


This makes for a good sound bite but it's just not true. The use case of "show me what is a customary solution to <problem>" plays exactly into LLMs strength as a funny kind of search engine. I used to (and still do) search public code for this use case to get a sense of the style and idioms common in a new language/library and the plausible set of tokens is doing exactly that.


> So you learn something, [...] You internalize it.

Or they don't.


It’s more like looking up the solution to the math problem you’re supposed to solve on your own. It can be helpful in some situations, but in general you don’t learn the problem-solving skills if you don’t do it yourself.


Exactly. For vast majority of students myself included just looking at ready solution is actually very poor way to study. And LLMs are exactly this. Ready solution generators. Doing with things like math and programming is learning.

And same goes for art. You do not become master in art by looking at art or even someone drawing...


I would recommend programming, and designing your system, on a piece of paper instead.

It's the most efficient few-shot which beats the odds on any SotA model.


Except that that future of a big powerful China doesn't exist. Their birth-rate is 1.

Game-over.


China will probably be the only country that solves this.


..Any country can solve it, just incentivise families. Simple things like ensuring young people have access to affordable housing and daycare. If I was at the start of my career ladder in a major urban area now, having a family would be close to the bottom of my priority list. Its not rocket science.


This isn't true and has been tried in the Nordic countries.

This is an outstanding article on the subject: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/03/03/the-population...


> .Any country can solve it, just incentivise families.

In the US, parenting time is up 20-fold, from a few hours per week to 24/7 adulting.

Companion to that is that free-range land has shrunk from many sq/mi to a few sq/yds. Car culture and trespassing culture has eliminated the irreplaceable environments where adult-free, peer time nurtured mental health and abilities.

As near as I can tell, parenting and childhood is irreparably broken in the US.

We certainly seem incapable of recalling what sustainable parenting once looked like.

On rare occasion someone will recall that kids once roamed all over. Maybe that gets connected to less mental health issues. Either way it's all forgotten moments later.


I agree it's broken, just in the other direction. Just stick an ipad in front of the kid and ignore it for hours


From before written history until a few generations ago, kids spent hours/day in adult-free, peer time making mistakes in everything from social interaction to physically risky play - and learning from those mistakes.

Today kids live entirely in adult curated, adult populated boxes. I'm not inclined to blame ipads for that.


> Any country can solve it, just incentivise families

The point of OP and what people don't get is that it's far easier to shift policies to brace for tough situations when you have a uniparty system and you're willing to make sacrifices. No 4 year administration is in any way incentivised to enact policies that only become effective after the next election. Note that I'm not saying that undemocratic systems are the solution.


Daycare is some weird shit with such abundance of [lonely] old people.


Unless they are friends or family regulations will never allow. But you are right there is an abundance of old lonely people who would do this for nothing and it would benefit everyone.


> Any country can solve it

Most wealthy countries have already solved it: immigration.


Considering their moves in Africa, I wouldn't be surprised if they bring the slave trade back.


The USA is also below replacement levels.


US birthrate is 1.6, really bad, but by far less disasterous and permanent as China's 1.


I Googled: china fertility rate 2024

A couple of reliable sources say: 1.7 births per woman

Where did you get 1?


No credible source says 1.7, the source that says this must be based on some kinda UN projection of 2010. Real TFR is probably around 1.0, in some parts of china it's below 0.7 (in the northeast it's around this number, in Macao it's 0.4). A lot of other countries are completely fucked as well and google pushes up UN projections from years ago (Like colombia UN projects the fertility rate to be higher in 2100 than it is according to the official numbers right now).


Not with immigration.


Don't worry, Republicans are hard at work making the USA a pariah state and turning away the educated migrants who've been behind most of the innovation and research of past decades.


What, non-migrant Americans are not up to it?


The US has benefited quite a bit by being a magnet for some of the most educated and driven people from around the world. This is not a controversial take.

Now, legal resident noncitizens are being deported for having political views that oppose the ruling executive party. This is not normal in the US.


Immigration is a double edge sword. Sure, it brings highly educated people on the top end, but also less educated at the bottom curve.

and on balance it changes demographics dramatically, that also shapes US policy in the future. It will be harder for USA to continue to be bloody warmongering machine with Military industrial complex dictating the policy and bombing countries and blowing up civilians around the world.


That's not necessarily a good thing. Do the New Americans want the same things as the pre-existing ones? Are they as capable? Not just "in a few generations" but here and now? Are they even likely to be as capable "in a few generations"?

If the statistics aren't very wrong, it doesn't seem like a solution.


Indian Americans make the most money in America, I’m sure immigrants can be capable


“Making the most money” isn’t the same as building a society people want to live in


by all statistics, it is Americans that make the life in the USA insufferable: corrupt politicians, oligarchs, lobbyists, party leaders, and criminals (the ones that sell drugs and shoot people).

go to any county/state jail and try to find a single H-1B visa holder there... its all home grown foundational Americans, raised on McDonalds and Coke


Immigration isn’t risk free

You get your birth rates up, but you also risk alienating your native born population and electing far right morons into office

Jury’s out on whether a tfr of 1.0 of native born people is better than a tfr of 1.4 with immigrants


Immigration will take a nosedive under Trump.


39% on agricultural imports from the US.

Lee Kuan Yew referred to Europe as "fort Europa" for a reason many decades ago..


We don’t want a race to the bottom when it comes to agricultural products. American products are cheap but they suck. Ours are better but more expensive. Making American crap expensive is good for us. That’s a good use of tariffs: avoiding flooding the market with inferior products at the cost of local made.


Most countries have tariffs on the US. The media would have us believe Americans are the first ones to ever do it.


EU has import controls on US meat, because of ethical reasons?!

You're joking right? There's only one reason we have those tarriffs and that's: money. To protect our own EU market.


the two are not unrelated. if it were purely about the money, they EU wouldn't enact any animal welfare and environmental regulations - but they do. of course they have to protect their markets now, but the question is whether the U.S. model is sustainable. china, for example, is outsourcing its pork production to the U.S. because it's deemed too toxic.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/why-is-c...


Ethical doesn't have to mean non-functional. Like I previously highlighted the "mad cow" disease pandemic of the 90s shows that these "soft" ideas of not feeding cows beef scraps actually have functional outcomes, despite seeming ethnical at first. This is also evidenced by free-range chickens having less potential exposure to bird flu than hatchery chickens who are packed so close together that the virus can sweep through the entire facility.

Big up NYC Hit Squad. :)


Because the NSA pays them to.

Why did they do to Skype what they did (first turn it from p2p to centralized and spyable and then just ignore it and let it die)?

Same reason.


(Opinions are my own, I have no inside knowledge.)

I vaguely remember hearing that P2P Skype was the bane of sysadmins' existence. Skype would elect clients on high-bandwidth networks as supernodes. This tended to be business customers - the very organizations MS wanted to attract. Skype's prodigious hole-punching ability made it difficult to throttle, so it got banned from a lot of enterprises. MS essentially hosted the supernodes on Azure, which centralized it.

As for encryption, on the other hand, Wikipedia says MS specifically added the ability to eavesdrop for law enforcement agencies, though apparently Skype had already added a backdoor for the NSA before MS bought them: https://news.softpedia.com/news/Skype-Provided-Backdoor-Acce...


This [1] is one of my favorite leaks from Snowden revelations, and I regularly bring it up anytime people try to downplay what PRISM is. That's a user manual for NSA agents on how to spy on Skype users (including video and text) in real time. It's informative and also amusing at times. For instance in the FAQ one issue a confused spook might run into is why they're being spammed with the same messages repeatedly. It turns out that when a user logs on to a new device, the recent messages Microsoft sends to the user are also directly forwarded to the NSA, which can result (from their perspective) in messages being repeated.

[1] - https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/Guid...


I remember the old supernodes p2p app, was good times.

I used to leave an extra old laptop on with it running, maybe 15 years ago, on a public address.

During the arab spring, tons of traffic could be seen connecting clients in north africa. It truly did route around things.


i wonder if some Estonian could justvrerelease the p2p originals . After all as america deteriorates its own influence , at some point the lawyers of the big 4 will be seen as barely disguised tendril of a hostile power in Europe . Who cares about your sales contracts if the president goes for Greenland . We might see a SkyEarthFireWater-Open source re-release one day. Just another tradewar anecdote .


America deteriorates its own influence? wut?

The big 4 will be seen as a hostile power within Europe? The big 4 ARE (mostly) European. What are you talking about?

Sales contracts? What do you mean in what context?

I agree that it would be cool if the original p2p Skype somehow resurfaces, but I can't make any sense of the rest of your post or what it has to do with the subject at hand?


FANG is definitely not European .


Join us back in the real world with no Trump derangement syndrome and you'll find out that European governments want an airtight control on companies so they can surveil them and people absolutely.

They want narrative control and squashing rising political opposition.


Exactly. So then why draw conclusions about how SolarCity was a bad deal for shareholders (see parent comments)?

There's no substantiation of that either way.


>There's no substantiation of that either way.

I don't think that's the true at all. There's a vast and visible footprint we can see with batteries (pretty sure every major solar company in the U.S. that has a battery storage option does at least some Tesla) that has no equivalent with solar rooftops. The former are ubiquitous while the latter are so far as I can tell almost entirely non existent.

And if that's too light on data I'll put it this way, I'm reasonably confident I can find 10 solar companies that install Tesla batteries for every one that does Solar City roofs.


We know the batteries are a lot of revenue. The substantiation is not zero.


Exactly, and theres plenty of third party companies buying and installing these for customers and their economic activity testifies to the significant scale of the Tesla battery business.


Because Tesla abandoned the SolarCity model? Like, SolarCity was a bunch of sales people going door-to-door to sell questionable leases on solar systems and hawking off the junk bonds resulting.


> questionable leases

I have a SolarCity install that came with the house.

The Power Purchase Agreement lease seemed shady at first, but ultimately I believe it's working out better for my family than for Tesla.

I'm paying just under 11 cents per kWh and it can only go up a maximum of 3% per year for the next ~15 years.


I’m curious what the cumulative operating cost / financial repayment plan is relative to the capital installation cost. Funny enough if it is advantageous to you vs solar city that is one more argument in favor of them running a poor business model.


The general model has some intrinsic advantages. If you want to build out solar generation you normally have to buy land (expensive), but this way the customer is giving you space on their roof "for free". Then the price per kWh the customer pays to the power company includes a transmission cost, but the power is being consumed on site so you don't have to pay that.

The result is that solar generally has a generation cost of ~$0.04/kWh (which includes the cost of the land) but meanwhile you have customers happy to be paying $0.11/kWh. The trade off is the one-time cost of installing it on individual roofs is more labor intensive than doing a large-scale installation in a field somewhere, but that just means it's competitive rather than having a massive advantage.


> Exactly. So then why draw conclusions about how SolarCity was a bad deal for shareholders (see parent comments)?

You can absolutely draw adverse inferences from Tesla's refusal to report certain straightforward, useful numbers. For example, their refusal to publish any real safety statistics, to the point where Elon Musk himself has to invoke rubbish numbers like the 'community tracker'.

If, after all the lawsuits and accusations of failure, and the reporting about the near-zero deliveries and idled factories, the Tesla Energy division is giving you no numbers on the solar roof, and is lumping them together with a totally different product like batteries, there is one thing and only one thing that that means: the numbers are awful.


The burden of proof is on the publicly traded company. That they don't make this information clear and obvious speaks volumes.


Why nuts?


Javascript is the new Macromedia/Adobe Flash.

You can do more and more in it and it's so fun, until it suddenly isn't anymore and dies.


Maybe just enforce law would be a good start I would think.


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