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DIY is viable if you're a bit nutters (like me).

I just paid ~$35k (pre-now-expired-tax-break) to install a grid-tied 25kw ground mount system. I DIY'd everything except the connection between the array and the grid, which I paid an electrician to do, and the trenching which I paid my buddy with a mini-excavator to do.

It was a bit of a PITA, but mostly because I didn't finally make up my mind to do it until October and had to have it constructed by Dec 31st to take advantage of the expiring tax credit. If I'd given myself 6 months, it would have still been a big project, but way less stressful.

My neighbor's paid the same price to a contractor for a 11kw system.

Even at 46°N, and with relatively cheap electricity, my system should pay for itself in 6-8 years.


Being an honorary or actual redneck in an exurban American setting will be the sweet spot for this. Your neighbor's rusting Bobcat is not useless after all. You have the space for ground mounting. I toyed with a rooftop solar DIY project with an electrician handling the AC side, but in my urban context PG&E wanted a six-figure fee for a subterranean transformer upgrade. In 2024 the state regulator established rules that PG&E can't charge for that kind of service upgrade so maybe I should start considering it again.

In EU it would be some $3k for inverter, $5k for panels, another $5k for cables, connectors and mounting and that's it if you DIY everything. Prices with VAT included.

Same in the Philippines here, and we're all buying the same Chinese materials at the end of the day so somehow Americans are getting really fleeced hard on this equipment.

Payback time is 2-4 years.

It reminds of healthcare and infrastructure in the US. When you really dig into why both are so expensive, it's literally every step. Every link in the chain between supplier and consumer is some kind of inefficient market, or burdened by regulations, etc.

Americans are just so rich they don't care enough to see these huge margins and undercut the competition, which is what happens here and keeps markets much more efficient.


Do you have a blog or a writeup about this?

What would have been the cost if it was not DIY'd? Is this doable only in a rural/semi-urban settings?


I was in the same boat.

I'm in the bay area, did a roof mount system. ~9.5kW with Enphase microinverters.

I think it cost be ~15k all in. The usual installer price is normally around $2.5-$3/w (so about $25k - $30k).

I got someone to do the plans (because I was under the gun to get on NEM2), but that was $300 well spent.

Did it all myself -- mounting, running conduit / wiring etc. Wasn't too bad. Probably about 3-4 Saturdays of work.

Here's my install log: https://www.reddit.com/r/diySolar/comments/1c6jfjv/finally_d...


Modern cable trenching at least if you're not hitting rocks is to take a wet vac and a pressure washer and just cut a slit, make sure you got ergonomics sorted and a place to dump the sludge for drying (c.f. kiddie pool, or one of those pools that rely on the top inflated ring to keep the otherwise loose bag of water from spilling...except made from geotextile or something rock/dirt friendly that'll filter the sediment letting the water seep past) before you backfill.

I’d love to get the reaction if all the VC investors who “reluctantly” had to support Trump because Lina Kahn was just too meddlesome, and they had to support a candidate who would be hands off with big tech.


Leopards, faces


Shoutout to my English Major comrades who have been using em-dashes forever, and have had to stop so we don't sound like AI.

If AI starts use the New Yorker style diaeresis (umlaut-looking thing when there are two vowels in words like coöperate) I swear I'm gonna lose it.


I worked for GitHub for a time. There was a cultural abhorrence of the diaeresis, it was considered reader-hostile and elitist. I refused to coöperate with that edict internally, although I grant that every company has the right to micro-manage communications with the public.


It is reader hostile and elitist.

Is there any good argument in favor of it, or any other house style quirks for that matter, other than in-group signaling?


It exists to indicate how a word is pronounced. Naïve is a better example IMO, cooperation feels too familiar.

Non-native speakers might see something like "nave" instead of "nigh-eve" unless it is clear that there is a stress that breaks out of the diphthong.

I don't think style guides are (usually) about absolute correctness, but relative correctness. A question is asked, a decision needs making, someone makes it, and now a team of individuals can speak with a consistent voice because there's a guideline to minimize variation.


IIRC it's use is to distinguish vowels that belong to separate syllables with vowels which form a diphthong. I think this could be beneficial to language learners, to give them a hint that cooperate is pronounced "ko ah puh rayt" instead of "ku puh rayt", and likewise naïve as "nah eev" than "nayv" or "nighv".


You’re replying to a troll - their entire argument was circular and self contradictory.


Agreed.

Join me in double-dash em proximates. Shows you manually typed it out with total disregard token count and technical correctness.


Just yesterday I saw Claude.ai use double dashes in its responses for the first time...


Exactly... How long until people figure out that LLMs emulate common writing patterns as their sole reason for being


Yes. To be fair, I was always a barbarian who just typed a hyphen in-place of an emdash and figured that was good enough. The only REAL em-dashes in my pre-AI writing are the result of autocorrect.


I used to use em-dashes and en-dashes in my work emails and other writings, but stopped using them when they became AI markers.


I'd like to see a histogram of my HN em dash usage over time. Maybe someone could get bored and visualize the 2nd order effects described here.


I genuinely didn't know those existed, I will subsequently be adding them to my repertoire


> New Yorker style diaeresis

I was going to say that I respect it, but find it utterly absurd that they do that. But your comment made me look it up again—I had no idea it was just obsolete/archaïc (except in the New Yorker), I'd thought it was a language feature their 'style' guide had invented.


Dutch does this. Idea is idee, with the e doubled to show it's a long vowel. We make plurals by adding "en". One idee, two... ideeen? Idewhat? So the dots differentiate where the sound changes (long e to short e): ideeën. Approximate pronunciation could be "ID an"

Fun fact: if you have the audacity to correctly write an SMS, you can fit about 70 characters in an SMS. It converts the whole message into multibyte instead of only adding dots to the one character. Or if you use classic spelling for naïve in English, same issue. (We don't dots-ize that in Dutch because ai is not a single sound like ee is, so there's no confusion possible. This is purely English.) I believe in Hanlon's razor so it's probably a coincidence that whoever cooked up this terrible encoding scheme made carriers a lot of money, but I do wonder if this had anything to do with the bug still existing to this day!


Beyond any clinical reason that your eye clinic might want to know your blood pressure (your vascular system is pretty important to your vision) - they may have been incentivized by the CMS to track blood pressure via the MIPS program which ties provider payments to specific documentation and screening measures.

AKA - the government might pay your eye clinic more if they screen you for high blood pressure. (Among other things).


This was the US under Bush II. I’m pretty sure there wasn’t any government payment to Lenscrafters involved.


I’d like to think it has to do more with hypertensive retinopathy, but...


This was interesting:

> Still, Mixter and the team were labeled "ghouls and pirates," and "the state of Michigan actually passed a law against recording bodies on shipwrecks that are less than 50 years old," he said.

Assumedly, as of today, the Edmund Fitzgerald has aged out of that law?

The latest episode of the NYTimes book review podcast [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-sinking-of-the-edm...] is a really interesting interview with John U. Bacon who just wrote a book on the Edmund Fitzgerald, called The Gales of November. Quite interesting if, like me, you didn't know anything about the historical event beyond the song.


Ever since I discovered Gypspy nearly a decade ago (now Guidealong https://guidealong.com/) - I've been dreaming of an open source app that'd pull local history from sources like Wikipedia, those roadside historical signs, etc., and narrate as you drive.

https://autio.com/ is similar - but obviously not open source, and more limited.

It seems like it could even tailor itself to what an individual user is interested in, and with AI - could turn more "dry" encyclopedia-type information into more compelling narratives. With some kind of route planning software, you could even pre-plan your trips ahead of time and select the things you're interested in.

Obviously not what you're building, but something related that's been clunking around in the back of my head for a while.


Yeah, that's cool. Currently tangential, but conceptually not something that would be completely out of scope in the end. I'm planning to use machine translations, text-to-speech, and multi modal generative models for accessibility already. There's also an idea for baking in GPS audio tours. Obviously depends on sourcing some quality content first

When you say open source is it so you could self host it, use your "own" models, and curate your own datasets? or some other reasons? I could see a future where a lot of the project could potentially be open sourced and work with any defined geojson API.


Open source was the wrong term (though that would be fine).

I meant community-sourced. Some kind of community where local "experts" or history enthusiasts could contribute info.

AKA - invite a local or regional historical society to contribute data for their region, with the benefit that they could then easily generate a regional tour map/route/recommendation.


Aha.. yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I think that's probably the best way to catch the more niche and special interest history.


Unfortunately only web based: https://www.hmdb.org


"I noticed you had Yoplait brand yogurt in your fridge. Here's a coupon for $0.75 off your first six-pack of Chobani!"


I hope you do!

I'm skeptical of v1 of this technology, but I could imagine a mature version of this technology could be great.

And $500/mo for essentially an always-available housekeeper seems very reasonable.

Where I live, having a housekeeper come for a few hours once a week costs about $100 a week, or $400/mo. Having a robot that could potentially always be there to:

* Tidy up.

* Clean

* Do laundry

* Help with other stuff

Seems well worth $500/mo. I don't expect that V1 of this technology will be able to effectively do all that stuff, but I'm hopeful that v2 or v5 might be able to.

On a related note, "folding laundry" seems to be a really hard challenge for machine learning to solve. Solutions like "Foldimate" kind of work if you individually hand it every piece in the right way - but nothing seems to be cable of having a human dump a bin of washed clothes in and spitting out nicely folded laundry. And everything so far that's promised to do that seems to be vaporware.


> And $500/mo for essentially an always-available housekeeper seems very reasonable.

Maybe, but you should factor in that many chores can't be done at all, and those that can be done will take ~10x as long.


Slower is only a problem if you're waiting on the machine. I recently purchased one of those "all in one" heatpump washer and dryers. It is indeed on a per wash basis slower than my old separate washer and dryer. But over the course of a week and multiple loads, the total time spent is about the same or possibly even less.

Sure, my old washer could wash a load in say an hour and the dryer could dry that load in 2 hours. So 3 hours per load. Except that was only true for the first load. The second load has to wait for the dryer to be done with the first load, so it actually takes 2 hours to "wash" and then 2 hours to dry, so 4 hours total. And that assumes that I'm home or available at just the right moment to swap the loads. And forget running a load overnight. I mean I can, but why would I want to leave a sopping wet mass of clothes sitting waiting to be thrown into the dryer. The new one takes anywhere from 4-6 hours for a cycle to run. Seems like a terrible trade off, except I can start a load at 11 at night, and have a cleaned and dried load in the morning. I can throw a load in before I leave for work, and it will be cleaned and dried when I get home. It doesn't matter than it took an extra 3 hours because I wasn't there waiting on it, and I didn't have to swap the loads.

A side and unexpected benefit of this machine too is that it's actually faster at drying loads of bedding. The big problem with a classic tumble dryer and bedding is that it spins in one direction constantly. Early on when the bedding is all wet and heavy it starts rolling into a ball, and no matter how good your dryer's sensors are, you will almost inevitably open that dryer to a mass of hot on the outside bedding and damp on the inside. You'll unravel the mess, and throw it back in for another round or two. Because the drum unit for the all in one is the same as the washer unit, it spins in both directions while drying, just like the washing machine does. As a result, bedding never gets wrapped and balled up during the drying phase and the bedding comes out dry first time every time.


I'm skeptical too, but the fact that it works slower isn't too much of a problem if it doesn't require human attention and finishes before one is back home. It's just like how the Roomba can take as much time as it needs to to vacuum the living room when I'm gone for the day, as long as it's done by the time I get back.


I broadly disagree.

Yes - Medicare is typically lower than private insurance plans, but if you can't deliver care for the reimbursement that Medicare offers as a health system/plan/office/provider, you're probably overcharging.

More than that, Medicare is the de facto starting place for most reimbursement negotiations between providers and payers. One of its benefits is that it's transparent and readily available. Blue Cross isn't gonna tell you what it's contracted to pay an individual provider (and that individual provider often won't know what they'll be reimbursed untill after they submit a bill) - but with Medicare the data's out there.

I know a good number of private clinics that'll offer cash pay discounts that effectively mirror Medicare or even slightly below Medicare, since you're saving them the trouble and expense of going through the medical billing process.


> One of its benefits is that it's transparent and readily available.

So is the usual and customary rate - I think it's been available since before Obamacare.

> Blue Cross isn't gonna tell you what it's contracted to pay an individual provider (and that individual provider often won't know what they'll be reimbursed untill after they submit a bill)

You'll find out when you get the bill :-) The bills I get have:

- Cost the provider is charging (e.g. $1000)

- Agreed upon cost with the insurance company ($600)

- Amount due ($60 assuming 10% and deductible met).

I don't know if they publish it transparently, but for common procedures, it's easy to find out. They're not going to prevent you from posting your bill online.


What the author calls criminal is the way hospitals typically bill Medicare and private insurance providers.

If the OPs brother-in-law had had insurance, the hospital would have billed the insurance company the same $195k (albeit with CPT codes in the first place).

The insurance company would have come back and said, "Ok, great, thanks for the bill. We've analyzed it, and you're authorized to received $37k (or whatever the number was) based off our contract/rules."

That number would typically be a bit higher for private insurance (Blue Cross, Blue Shield, United Healthcare, etc), a little lower for Medicare, and even lower for than that for Medicaid.

Then the insurance would have made their calculations relative to the brother-in-law's deductible/coinsurance/etc., made an electronic payment to the hospital, and said, "Ok, you can collect the $X,XXX balance from the patient." ($37k - the Insurers responsability = Patient Responsibility)

Likely by this point in a chronic and fatal disease, the patient would have hit their out-of-pocket maximum previously, so the $37k would have been covered at 100% by the insurance provider.

That's basically the way all medical billing to private and government insurance providers in this country works.

"Put in everything we did and see what we can get paid for by insurance" isn't criminal behavior, it's the way essentially every pay-for-service healthcare organization in the country bills for its services.

I don't say that to either defend the system, or to defend the actions of the hospital in this instance. It certainly feels criminal for the hospital to send an individual an inflated bill they would never expect to pay.


> What the author calls criminal is the way hospitals typically bill Medicare and private insurance providers.

Interestingly enough, the FBI considers double billing and phantom billing by medical providers, to be fraud.

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/health-ca...


Yes. Though I think technically none of that happened here.

If I sound like I'm defending the morality of the hospital for billing a private individual $190k for services they'd expect to be paid $37k for, please know that I'm not. But it helps to understand WHY the hospital billed that much, and whether it's legal for the hospital to bill that much.

The biggest semantic "mistake" the author makes in their thread is saying, "Claude figured out that the biggest rule for Medicare was that one of the codes meant all other procedures and supplies during the encounter were unbillable."

The Medicare rule does not make those codes "unbillable" - it makes them unreimburseable.

The hospital can both bill Medicare for a bigger procedure code, and the individual components of that procedure, but Medicare is gonna say, "Thanks for the bill, you're only entitled to be paid for the bigger procedure code, not the stuff in there."

Neither the FBI nor Medicare is gonna go after the hospital for submitting covered procedure codes and individual codes that are unreimbursable under those procedure codes. That's not crime, that's just medical billing.

Actual double billing would occur if, say, your insurnace paid the hospital for a procedure, and then they came after you for more money, or billed a secondary insurance for the same procedure. Or if they'd said, "Oh no, the OP's brother in law wasn't here for just 4-hours, they were here overnight so now we're billing for that as well."

NOW - a much better way for the hospital to handle this scenario would be to see that the patient is cash-pay, and then have separate cash-pay rates that they get billed that essentially mirror Medicare reimbursement. That's essentially what the author got them to do, and it absolutely sucks that's what he had to do.


And yet Florida elected a Senator who earned over $100M doing just that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Scott


I briefly worked in adjacent space. While I hate the way it works, it makes a lot more sense when you understand that the billed amount is essentially just a negotiation tactic that represents a price well above what they ever expect to be paid (and a bit added to that for safety).

Then, they negotiate with all of the in-network providers for some number that’s well below the billed amount. That number varies a bit based on how effective various negotiations are.

Realistically, OP simply found the number that insurance was going to pay out anyways.


I think the argument is that it’s criminal to take advantage of the patient without insurance and ask them to ruin their life trying to come up with 195k when your system is setup to reasonably profit off the 37k you get from the insured patients. I firmly believe that even in a capitalist society the idea of profiting off of anything let alone healthcare in the thousands of percentage points is criminal.


I think he meant literally criminal.

The hospital double billed for over $100k worth of services on the original invoice.

At a certain point a pattern of issuing inaccurate invoices crosses the line into negligence.

If a business just have a habit of blasting out invoices that bill for services never received, and they know that they keep doing this, and only correct it when the customer points it out, at a certain point it turns into a crime.


From a quick Google query, it says that ~%90 of Americans have health insurance (which seems higher to me than I'd expected). I'd be very interested in knowing the number of uninsured, negligent/nefarious, and exorbitant invoices that are issued as a percentage of all invoices, for the purpose of determining the scale of criminality with respect to your description.


double charging on purpose systematically sounds slightly criminal to me


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