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No, it's a calculated marketing, not them being honest.


All marketing is calculated, some just turns out to be more effective


>No, it's a calculated marketing, not them being honest.

It's obviously marketing. But their marketing strategy appears to be being unashamed about ripping off content and creating bot farms.

What are you suggesting they are lying about? They're actually doing it for the good of the world and just pretending they're a bot farm for hire?


I don't think they actually believe that "never pay a human again" works as they raised money to pay humans.


Copilot in vim is not the same as cursor. e.g. There is no multiline tab autocomplete.


For comparison, GPT-5 mini is $0.25/M for input and $2.00/M for output, so double the price for input and 50% higher for output.


flash is closer to sonnet than gpt minis though


Care to explain how would they get the money in the process you described? Selling privacy to Google or someone is the only money maker they have.

There is no reason to believe manager pay is even 10% of the total expense.


Google (currently) pays Mozilla $400-500 million a year to be the default search engine in firefox.

edit: in 2023 they took in $653M in total, $555M of which was from Google. They spent $260M on software development, and $236M on other things.


The "other things" is what most people seem to have problem with.

Mozilla burns a batshit amount of money on feel good fancies.

If it were focused on its core mission -- building great software in key areas -- it would see it can't afford this, because that's the same money that if saved would make them financially independent of Google.


> Mozilla burns a batshit amount of money on feel good fancies.

How much?


  > In 2018, Baker received $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla.
  > In 2020, after returning to the position of CEO, Baker's salary was more than $3 million.
  > In 2021, her salary rose again to more than $5.5 million,
  > and again to over $6.9 million in 2022.
  >
  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Mozilla_Foundation_and_Mozilla_Corporation


And what percent of revenue was this?


0.55% in 2018, rising to 1.1% in 2022


Saving 1.1% of revenue would make them financially independent of Google?


>$236M on other things This is from another poster. I'm guessing stuff not related to Firefox development.


$236M included facilities, administration, marketing, and so on.


Yes, they should trim most of that fat.


How much is fat?


Mozilla took in the money from the distant past all the way into the present. They have leaned into privacy the whole time, while not being perfect.

At some point they ease off the google money or it goes away itself. And they move forward on privacy.

Google was less demanding in the past as well; they continue to give Apple billions each year.

There are a number of privacy-oriented business models, as listed here: https://aol.codeberg.page/eci/status.html - while not as lucrative as some, combined with an endowment its a good living that many companies would envy.


There is no tax loophole. The only thing they are getting is higher leverage against borrowing, and the only difference would occur if that individual would go bankrupt in that the entity that they borrowed from wouldn't need to pay income tax.

So the only way to pay less tax is to surrender all your assets.


Or die and pass it to your children. Buy, borrow, die. Kill the step up basis loophole.


No it doesn't work that way. If you pass on the stock options, you pass on the tax burden.


I'm not sure if "options" is the relevant word in your post, but it does seem like capital gains tax is significantly reduced in inheritances? Here's an example source that says the cost basis gets reset to its value at approximately the deceased's death [1], and gains relative to that cost basis are likely much smaller (and thus a much smaller tax burden) than those relative to their initial acquisition price possibly decades earlier, no?

[1] https://www.fidelity.com/learning-center/life-events/cost-ba...


Even according to you article, fair market value at the time of transfer is subject to same tax. Can you phrase what exactly you are trying to say?

I included options because that's how ultra wealthy get their wealth from and it has market value of 0 so company could give lot of them.

Also anyone can get majority of your earning in stocks, not just ultra rich. Companies want to pay in stocks, and it's a win win for both, if there is a loophole.


My understanding is that it's not subject to the same tax it would have been as income, since the federal estate tax only applies to value above ~14 million per individual. So, my understanding is that a married couple can pass 25 million in stocks to their heirs and pay nearly no taxes on it because it's under the estate tax threshold and the capital gains cost basis got reset on their death. But not everyone can do this because you need enough assets or other business the bank wants to handle for them to be happy lending you money for years, and only people with a lot of assets have either of those things.

(I'm happy to be wrong about this, since it seems unfair, but AFAIK this is how it works?)


If microservice or monolith is giving order of magnitude improvement in productivity, you clearly are doing something wrong, or having terrible practices.


What are the project specific nuance you are talking about? Anything in this and linked post could be applied to any performant application which values memory safety.

So unless they provide some Tor specific nuance, it's more or less applicable to wide range of applications.


No they didn't. Most advertisers are running at negative ROI, but they just have to run ads as they can't risk other companies taking over. Biggest advertisers would be happy if the ads are banned. It's the new and small companies that would find it harder.


HN complains about any monetization strategy including recurring payments, yet complains if the company revenue is low. Almost all of the internet is paid by ads, users almost never pays. Company pays, but then the company is paying the money that they directly or indirectly earned through ads.


Recurring payments are fine for services that have a recurring cost, which is often not the case.


How do you feel about news subscriptions?


Development cost is recurring cost.


Great, then let me buy a specific version as a single purchase.


Would you be fine if that version is affected by botnet in the future, or if the documentation is not updated for newer windows version unless you pay.

And would you be willing to pay $200 one time or $10/month(say assume the average subscription time for users is 2 years), so to recoup the amount they need to increase the cost a lot.


There is a lot of software sold as a single-time purchase for a reasonable price, so it’s certainly possible to make it work.


Idk, if being bad is the reason for leaving Github Actions, I think people would have left it ages ago. It stuck not because it is better than competitors but because it is included in the Github plans. It's decaying implies that it has somehow became worse, in fact it was one of the worst implementation to start with.


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