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Don't you think having terror supporters in the country is causing an "irreparable harm" too?


That's 100% orthogonal.

1. There are plenty of US citizens that say the same things

2. This demonstrates that anything that runs afoul of whatever party is in charge will subject an immigrant to extra-judicial removal without due process. That's a scary precedent, and people all over the world are watching and learning that America is not a safe place to hinge your future on.

Regardless of how you feel about this person, there are other levers and mechanisms. Impinging upon freedom of speech in a country that prides itself upon it and revoking legal residential status is scary.

Telling someone you disagree with or even hate their ideas and their politics is one thing. Removing their rights and crushing decades of their work and their future fitness envelope - built on countless opportunity costs, some of them based on "choosing America" - is quite another.

I don't care if the person is pro-Palestine, pro-Israel, pro-LGBT, pro-MRA, pro-Scientology, pro-Church of Satan. We should not damage the American brand. We should not impinge upon our laws and constitution.

Everyone in the world should want to come here, and we should be able to take our pick of the hardest workers and brightest minds. Some of those people are Israeli, some of those people are Palestinian and Muslim, some of those people are Chinese. We should be able to get them all and grow stronger. We're supposed to be a melting pot.

You want to know another thing that's orthogonal to our discussion? I don't think we're in this place of hate naturally. I think the platforms and the marketers and the engagement algorithms and the coordinated psyops have put us here. I think people are mostly kind (or at worst neutral) to one another. We've got a whole lot of battles to fight if we want to avoid extreme polarization ripping us apart.


This country was literally founded on terrorism oops, sorry, "revolutionaries"

Many founding fathers had strong ties to the smuggling industry, the Boston Tea party was the kind of vandalism that would put you in prison for life now, and there was constant and brutal aggression towards loyalist citizens including stealing their land and physically assaulting them.

No amount of Hamas chants will harm the US. Hamas is only effective in Palestine because people are outright propagandized and have almost zero hope for their lives. Or they are literal children.

Funny, the last time we got all antsy about teenagers chanting stuff on college campuses, several children were shot by the national guard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

Seems to me, the threat isn't actually teenagers.

In fact, if you ask the FBI, the threat has consistently been white dudes with guns trying to do things like bomb federal buildings, do hate crimes, and attempt to abduct a sitting US state governor.

Should we deport all white guys with guns? I'll tell my brother to pack his stuff.


By "terror supporters", do you mean anyone who bad-mouths our greatest ally?


Yes, I think we should probably deport or imprison anyone who breaks into the Capitol to overthrow the lawfully elected government.

Oh wait, not those kinds of terror supporters? Just student Gaza protestors and Tesla vandals?


Which has nothing to do with this, since all the graphs show divergence in 1971, 2 years prior.


> all the graphs show divergence in 1971, 2 years prior

Almost none of them do. First chart: dot is before the dip and divergence. Second chart is a mess, but even then, the non-blue lines are bundled until 1975; the blue line doesn't meaningfully depart until 1973. Third chart: divergence doesn't start until 1980.

Did abandoning Bretton-Woods contribute to these changes? Probably. Is it the Mayan 2012 that this website tries to make it look like? No.


It's pretty common for a big event's effects only to show a bit later.

I don't think it's only the gold standard though, no.


What is your suggestion? Terrorists get a rape and murder free-pass because they hide behind civilians?

War is shit. It's even shittier when you fight terrorists with no regards to human lives.


My first suggestion would be to not sponsor those terrorists by the Israeli government currently in power. [1] That would be a good start.

I have some other ideas, like stopping the apartheid regime in West Bank and blockade of Gaza. Maybe even acknowledging that Palestinians want, and deserve, their own state.

[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...


so, stopping the "apartheid regime" would stop the rocket fire from Gaza you believe? was there also "apartheid" in gaza before October 7?

like, literally, now, while hostages are in the tunnels and they launched 10k rockets into Israel, they should be stopping the apartheid regime? AND blockade of Gaza, so Iran, Turkey, Russia etc. can bring in weapons unchecked, right? That’s what’s gonna make everyone safe, and bring in the democratic process the that the world believes will resolve the conflict?

You believe that?


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