> The irony of course is that the way they've gone about reacting to this has damaged their brand so badly at the trust level that the public view of their company has completely flipped.
I you are overstating how much of their user base cares about OpenClaw. Not nearly as bad as the DoD was for OpenAI (particularly because that cut into a pattern of how Sam Altman acts in general)
But it is a reminder they are just another company
I don't the OpenClaw furor has been a problem for the majority; but stuff like the harness bugs with dropped thinking traces (capacity optimization?) and some fairly bizarre billing bugs with weird/opaque comms around both have been more concerning and affect a larger group than that loud minority. You do kind of want a reliable service with reliable billing and reasonable comms for most things at the corporate level.
At some point you can start asking money back. One could say that putting 5h unjustified limit for usage is like stealing money if it is set so that you cannot reach your 100% limit.
Full confession - I have railway tokens accessible to claude code at the moment.
But its a hobby project, not a commercial one! There are 0 users (even me) relying on it.
And the number of ways I had to tell CC not delete those tokens was a whole bunch of work. Even then its done it a few times, and I had to remind it not to.
The minute I start relying on this even for my own use, I'd stop having those tokens visiable.
Is there a risk this will simply shorten appointment times and increase caseloads in the long term? Leading to doctors being more burnt out and less engaged and making these improvements transient at best?
Feels like historically that’s where every other optimization that reduced a MD’s “busy work” led. Particularly adding more paraprofessionals of various kinds into the patient’s interaction.
There’s only one speciality i mind the use of AI - psychotherapy.
In that case, I’m paying them to engage with and observe me. Not to identify the correct treatment plan based on a variety of different data points (tests, my history, family history, research, etc)
And even in psychotherapy I have no problem with a LLM being used to compile notes after the session. Just don’t want it present in the session and used for analyzing it.
(My therapist asks me almost once a month if I’d mind. I thought it was because my notetaker is entering the Zoom meeting, but last week I called him out cause I was almost certain I disabled it. Curious if he’ll ask again.)
> unrealized not properly studied cost of digging in cities and associated time delays and extra costs and extra extra unforeseen costs by companies new on the scene
Was that unrelated to the potential ROI imploding as existing supply grew more efficient? That even if prices stayed high it still wouldn’t have been worth what it cost to overcome obstacles?
If so, sounds like a reminder that if things had gone “according to plan” the oversupply would have been exponentially greater. Something i never considered.
That even if prices stayed high it still wouldn’t have been worth what it cost to overcome obstacles?
They would have required significantly more funding and this was even before they got through all the permitting costs. There never would have been an over-supply as most of them could not even get through permitting much less all the approvals to start trenching up the roads or sharing existing pipes with other companies. Eventually over a long period of time individual data-centers and telcos worked through this but the initial idea of making a profitable business of running fiber in 2000/2001 was a pipe dream pun intended.
There was plenty of demand and plenty of data-centers popping up all over the place. I helped manage one around that time. It wasn't my primary role but we went from about 700 people to 6 in 6 years. A lot of businesses at that time were started by people with big hopes of getting rich and very little business experience.
Maybe you have perspective on this — how much of way tech reshaped life during the 2010s only occurred because of the over-builds of the dot-com era?
Again, makes me wonder what the parallels are to today. Imagine timelines will compressed and/or the level of shock will be even greater, but regardless the real impact of AI on society will only be seen after a broad-world-wide socio-economic correction the likes of which we saw in the early to mid 2000s)
The only over-builds I saw were primarily done for making a "dog and pony show" to investors and prospective customers. By over-build I mean a lot of data-center space was built out, many of the data-centers built out large highly redundant ATS/UPS with numerous generators and fuel tanks. Some data-centers had redundant commercial power coming in from 2 to 3 sub-stations when feasible and multiple egress to local telco and many redundant circuits that by todays standards would be very low bandwidth.
Most of this was for show and caused many companies to file chapter 11 several times, change names several times, merge with several companies several times and so on. Over time circuits got faster, servers got faster and used less power. That's about it. Many of those build-outs are still around, just different butts in chairs and far fewer of them.
I don't know what the parallels will be compared to today because I don't know the ultimate goals for government, military and civilian use of AI {AGI}?. You may enjoy listening to this podcast [1] for some idea of why people are scrambling and why it's probably premature to even guess where all of this will land.
I you are overstating how much of their user base cares about OpenClaw. Not nearly as bad as the DoD was for OpenAI (particularly because that cut into a pattern of how Sam Altman acts in general)
But it is a reminder they are just another company
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