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Could Ada++ be part of the Zoo? xD


It's not a miniature language, nor is it a real language.


Sounds like a pedantic distinction without a difference ; )


Is it pedantic to point out that Ada++ is inconsistent with the objective of the site:

> The Programming Languages Zoo is a collection of miniature programming languages which demonstrates various concepts and techniques used in programming language design and implementation. It is a good starting point for those who would like to implement their own programming language, or just learn how it is done. [emphasis added]

And I know you've posted about Ada++ a few times (I thought I recognized your name, you were the submitter the day after April Fool's Day), but Ada++ is still not a real language. At best it's a cosmetic (and poorly done) transformation of Ada itself. I mean, this is a code sample from the site:

  case Variable:
    when 0      => Put_Line ("Zero");
    when 1 .. 9 => Put_Line ("Positive Digit");
    when 10 | 12 | 14 | 16 | 18 =>
      Put_Line ("Even Number between 10 and 18");
    when others => Put_Line ("Something else");
  }
Note the weird mismatch of the : as the starting delimiter for the block and } for the closing delimiter. Because literally `is` becomes `:` and `end` becomes `}`, and `begin` becomes `{`. Since `case` statements in Ada don't use `begin` but do use `is` you end up with this gross translation.


Open source has nothing to do with it when it is difficult / impossible / highly unlikely that anyone actually has a free device. What kind of developer would make something for an alternative app store which would be installable on 0.001% of devices?

If anything they took more from the community in terms of the Linux kernel etc then they have given back with useful technology when it comes to phones.


When Bernanke made the speech in 2016 where he invented the idea of a helicopter dropping money it was pretty much instantly a meme... everyone in the finance community knew about it because of how ridicules it sounded


Seems like it was used earlier than 2016? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_money

> The name "helicopter money" was first coined by Milton Friedman in 1969, when he wrote a parable of dropping money from a helicopter to illustrate the effects of monetary expansion. The concept was revived by economists as a monetary policy proposal in the early 2000s following Japan's Lost Decade. In November 2002, Ben Bernanke, then Federal Reserve Board governor, and later chairman suggested that helicopter money could always be used to prevent deflation.


The real heyday of this was early 2000s, after Bernanke used it in a speech the first time. Maybe he mentioned it again in 2016?


Bernanke used it in a speech for the first time in 2002, but it was coined back in 1969 by Milton Friedman.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_money


And Friedman was referring to 1930s Keynsian ideas about stimulus. Keynes's original version was paying people to needlessly smash rocks.


Isn't that what rich people do anyways? Foundations and corporate shells to hide their wealth?


Not really. Or at least, not nearly to the extent possible if you were to zero the corporate tax rate.


Great, just what we need... more updates, downloads, and EULA changes.

I am tired of updating everything, and it often leads to rushed/less performant software because - hey we'll fix it soon anyway as long as we meet the deadline right? Or, even worse, like Microsoft openly using customers as beta testers.

Also, anyone notice these days how we used to be excited about buying or getting an "upgrade" and now we get pestered about "updates"... interesting semantic difference..


Maybe it's just me but I can't remember the last time I had to think about a chrome update/download/EULA change. Personally I think that's great, they aren't things I want to spend my time on so if they're automated than all the better imo.


Do you restart your computer often?

I don't restart that often and I almost constantly have the nagging "update" button in chrome.


I think means a restart of chrome is necessary, not a restart of the whole machine.


Yea, I understand. I personally never restart Chrome, unless I'm doing a full computer restart.


Just because they don't make it explicit doesn't mean its not changing. I could be wrong though.


Yes, the language is named after Ada Lovelace - a person credited with writing one of the first computer programs. It is not an acronym.


Cool, but.... no Ada, Pascal, or Delphi...

R.I.P. : (


I don't think I like this trend of web browers having so much power over hardware - seems like a huge vulnerability.

Also, how much memory do these changes involve? With these chromium updates every single elektron app I use will be affected?


This is just the next step in the evolution of browsers into full fledged operating systems. The Web APIs would become the next POSIX. And we might end up with uni-kernels that would just be running browsers on bare-metal. Want to be stalked, here is your Chrome OS. Want privacy, here is your Firefox OS. (Where did I last hear of these? Hmm...)

Who knows, when all this is over someone might make a browser for this new browser OS.

Gary Bernhardt saw this coming long back. https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/the-birth-and-death...


This increase in browsers leveraging hardware capabilities is not necessarily a bad thing. Think of it as the cost of advancement. Chances are that most devices nowadays come with sufficient memory to handle these. And for cases where this would harm overall experience, there are always toggles.

Though not to underestimate the vulnerabilities some of these advancements bring. Some tech such as Bluetooth have been exposed to security bugs in the not so recent past. Am also partly concerned about how complex & almost OS-like browsers have become today. Read ChromeOS etc. They also expose too much information at the hardware level to webpages.

Though as complex as the big browsers get. We'll always have simple browsers such as Webkit-based Epiphany that still stay true to the traditional Web browser in essence.


We are at a state where these tech companies have the same value as countries and entire stock indexes. It is obscene, and yet they make their devices more locked down, harder/ILLEGAL! to fix by paying off politicians both to not enforce laws and to write them in their favor at the expense of smaller competition.

The merger of state and corporate powers is complete. We live in a fascist world with surveillance that Stalin could only dream of.

So yea, a bit "unfortunate"


Yea and Google doesn't do the same sh*t as Apple? Looking at it this way, it is impossible to avoid abusive and increasingly vague and restrictive store policies..

You think there is a chance in hell Apple and Google are not going to continue the trend of restricting devs and taking bigger profit shares for the "privilege" of being in the store? Its only going to get worse. Good for them for standing up.


If you wish more competition to enter the market I'd argue for Apple to increase its prices (the higher margins the more competition).

You're arguing they lower their prices, and thats just going to cement their position.


I am not arguing for them to continue their status quo, I am saying that without competition Apple/Google have no incentive to improve.

We would all be better off if Apple lowered prices and we got alternatives. That's a win/win even if most users don't use the alternatives.


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