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>Ada has a neglected dialect and a proprietary dialect

What on earth are you on about? That’s not the case.

Ada 2022 has been released and Ada 202x is getting improvements. Those features are trickling into FSF GNAT (GCC).

Are you talking about the SPARK dialect, where GNATprove is open source?


It was indeed the SPARK dialect I am referring to.

I find the Ada community difficult to navigate, the existence of multiple dialects does not make it easier. Please do correct me if I am wrong, and I apologize for any mistakes that I might have made.

If it is not the case that the SPARK language or its proprietary compiler is ahead of what is available publicly, why does this page say that pattern matching is in production:

https://github.com/AdaCore/ada-spark-rfcs/blob/master/featur...

While as far as I can tell, it is not part of normal, not-SPARK Ada, and either is not available in open source compilers, or might require enabling an extension?


My apologies for getting frustrated. I shouldn’t have done that.

This is bit on info-dump. I’m not the best at expressing myself and so some parts may not be clear. Please feel free to ask for clarification or any further questions.

Pattern matching is available as a language extension (currently) exclusive to GNAT GCC. It’s not in the reference manual, which means it’s not part of standardised Ada (yet). It’s intended to be an experiment or prototype for what will eventually become a standardised language feature (the standardised feature may be different, or it could be rejected, as the standardisation committee is composed of multiple compiler vendors).

As is, that pattern matching feature works in both normal Ada and in SPARK mode on GNAT GCC 15.2. The flag to enable it is “-gnatX0”. Please see these: https://godbolt.org/z/d55ddznfn https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_rm/Case-pattern-matching... https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-15.1.0/gnat_rm/How-to-act... In the Godbolt example, that is in normal Ada.

You are not alone in finding the Ada community difficult to navigate. The “ada-spark-rfcs” repository you linked is a community outreach program of AdaCore to solicit feedback from programmers in venues they’re more likely to use. Those RFCs are then forwarded to the Ada Rapporteurs Group (ARG) who focus on the development of standardised Ada. Their issues, mailing list and meeting minutes can be found at: http://www.ada-auth.org/arg.html

SPARK doesn’t add features to Ada; instead, it’s a subset of features that can be easily proven by SMTs for formal verification. The special things in SPARK (extra attributes and pragmas, which Ada implementations are allowed to define) are only to aid formal verification. When language features are added, they’re added to Ada first and subsequently potentially enabled in SPARK.

I admit that calling it “ada-spark-rfcs” is kinda confusing - it’s just dumping ground for ideas for Ada and SPARK. For example, the multiple ghost levels RFC really only applies to SPARK, as ghost code only exists to improve verifiability. The final modifier RFC is for Ada proper, and it’ll probably apply to SPARK as it allows OOP.

The situation regarding compiler available is confusing and it made me nervous when I was first learning about the language.

GNAT GCC has two versions: FSF and PRO. The FSF (as in the Free Software Foundation) version is the publicly available version that’s in mainline GCC. PRO is for paying customers of AdaCore. From what I can tell, it’s built against an older version of the GCC backend. It tends to get those newest experimental features sooner, but they do trickle into FSF GCC. There have been points in time where I haven’t noticed any difference in feature set between GNAT PRO (according to the release notes) and those in FSF.

SPARK code works with both GNAT FSF and GNAT PRO. The formal verification tool for SPARK, GNATprove, is open source. https://github.com/AdaCore/spark2014

Have a great day. :)

Edit: I’m not affiliated with AdaCore. I’ve never even spoken to one of their employees on the forums. I do use Ada, but only in my “side-business” (not making any money yet lol).


> we genuinely can only laugh at people

That's perhaps not the best wording.

Nonetheless, I do agree with you. D can be very flexible in that regard.


I don't know how else to word it. Every thread about D has people going on and on and on and on about the GC, and they aren't always wrong (there is always good information here) but fundamentally it doesn't matter. Many D programmers come from PHP rather than C++ - D isn't attractive to them because of systems programming but rather high level programming e.g. metaprogramming.


There seems to be at least one reason to have a non-GC option: You want to write code that integrates with an environment that already has its own GC and you want that to decide things. For example you want to integrate existing libraries in C/C++/D/Go/Rust/whatever with a Lisp process, since there's lots of those libraries and they do useful things, and you don't have a Lisp library for that (yet). In that case having one point of deciding when to deallocate things seems to be better than having two of them.


Thank you!

I agree, the syntax is much clearer than C++. The very first prototype was in C++, but I found myself frequently frustrated with the language. I find D's features make me more productive.


As of current, no. I'm not sure where I want to go with this project.


Definitely. If you come from a C-family background it feels quite familiar.


Thank you! Your post about D without its runtime is a fantastic read.


Bingo!


Holden has been owned by GM since the 1930s and has been building its own vehicles since 1948. Holden ceased building cars in 2017 and was disbanded in 2020 (RIP).

But yeah, the 4L60es are lemons in my eyes.


They're really not good gearboxes.

Keep in mind, with the 4 speeds I drove casually. With this 6 speed, I can push it hard and it's still going strong almost a year later.

They're quite an old (American) design bolted to a modern engine. It simply doesn't mix well. 4 speeds (4L60e) are the bread and butter of automatic transmission rebuilders in Australia.

My father killed one in his daily driver, and all it did was go 20km each way to and from work. My Aunt's Commodore was recently in the shop getting a new 4L60e. They're simply not suited to the car.


What do you mean with "push it hard"? Maybe try a manual next time. Half of the fun of driving for me is switching gears.


Flogging it, pretty much.

I have a manual license, but I'm not interested in them. Thanks for the suggestion anyway.


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