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Subtitle: The August 2 Tornetta v. Musk hearing on "ratification" is one for the ages.


“The court lacks jurisdiction” - does that mean the case will be re-filed elsewhere?





The implication of

> some text here

in a top level comment is that text is extracted from the top linked article or from a given link (and no link was provided) not that such text might be found somewhere on the internet.

That aside, portions of the Solway Firth are perhaps an exception if commercial harvesting is permitted given the law in question:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo6/12-13-14/74

is riddled with carve outs for Wales and Scotland (Solway being Scotland to the north and England to the south) along with clauses allowing local authorities to issue licences to permit activities, and Section 18 (1) .. unlawful to excavate or remove any materials .. (subject to exceptions following) ending with (11) Nothing in this section shall be construed as authorising a coast protection authority in Scotland to institute proceedings for any offence under this Act.



Note that the tower doesn't really look like that picture in the nypost - it's a much more portable looking affair: https://maps.app.goo.gl/Y9QMBDPnazGT1cgj9


A few guys with plasma cutters and a winch could have that pieced and loaded on a flatbed in no time.


Almost certainly that tower was of galvanized steel, so if the mystery adbuctors had knowledge of welding or metallurgy (no idea if that was the case) they'd know that plasma cutters would be toxic overkill unless they knew how to paint/paste where they cut. Portable chop saws would do just fine. I witnessed pros take down a radio tower by remote-controlled chop saws cutting the guy wires sequentially.


Old timers will say, incorrectly, "just drink some milk"

On a serious note, a short term exposure like this probably wouldn't be that harmful*, and they seem like risk-takers already so the hazards are factored in for them.


Off topic, but why are there no remote control chain saws? Seems silly to stand next to an engine driven chain that could fly off at any time.


There are - a sort of tracked vehicle with an arm that can chop down a tree, hold it, and scrape off the small limbs before stacking the log.


Not easily. Those metal tension cables are dangerous to cut and it’s going to have to fall like a tree in some direction.


My tower has 8 guy wires and each is easily released from the ground with hand tools.


Metal thieves are not known for following strict workplace safety protocols.


Sure, but if you’ve ever been around high tension mental cables before you’ll realize you need a huge pair of balls to cut those. It’s not safety protocols, it’s fear that it might cut you in half.


Actually, as I learned from MythBusters, a wire snap will be unable to server a limb or worse. You will still be dead, but your body will be intact.

https://mythresults.com/episode62


Container ship dock line snaps on the other hand...


Also Navy aircraft carrier arrestor cables. Like:

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/12/04/us/around-the-nation-two-...


If you cut a wire under tension at the very limit of its range on one end, can it hurt you?


I had the same question. Intuitively, I don’t think so, but that’s based on nothing but simulating it in my head. In reality you might risk the tower collapsing on you if you cut too many.


These towers often have several sets of tension cables at various heights, so you could cut the outermost/tallest set, drop the top-third of the tower, and work your way down. Still dangerous, but it's not always "bring all 500' down at once".


There are YouTube video compilations showing exactly what you've described.


Why even cut the cables? Wouldn't they just back out the tensors at the anchors and do it all under control?


That's how I would do it without remote cutters, a small shaped charge, or thermite. Fall direction will be completely out of control, so it would be worth being close to the tower to reach a safe area.


I don't see how you would have less control by backing off tensioners vs. destructive approach. You don't have to release all guys at once in either case.



Video about Soviet lighthouses powered by previous incarnations https://youtu.be/SJThxJpj8L8


Thanks for the link - we’ve been using mailhog for local smtp testing and it still works ok for basic tasks, but it’s not maintained any more.


I live in a village on Dartmoor, UK, complete with a pub dating back to the 12th century. But the village shop has disappeared, the internet and even the water connection seem increasingly fragile. On the other hand, working from home in my own office with a view across the valley, and working on our woodland are great for body and soul. Also, there are enough children around that our kids don’t feel isolated - at the same time we’ve never worried about traffic when they go off on their explorations.


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