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Well then bussiness people are also disconnected from reality. If a developer can write code and estimate and deliver in time for bussiness, then he is not an employee. He is a founder. What you want is people that deliver like a founder but that don't get any share of the profits. You want gullible people.



The word you're looking for is stakeholder, not founder.

Nonetheless, do you believe the opposite is true? If a developer doesn't feel like they are adopting the perspective of the business, are they a disposable resource?


You don't have to ask me, the latest layoffs prove that they are disposable even if the company has record profits.


i envy you that you managed to live your life with this kind of belief

that’s like a sales guy closing a deal…

you did one piece of the puzzle and dealt with one type of headache

you clearly have no clue what founders actually do


Honestly, I think you are an unwilling prime example of a disconnected developer. Why don't you instead try to found common ground and work from there? Who says "business people" aren't capable of dealing with uncertainty? You are making a caricature of a very simple, reasonable request. We're all just people with the same goals. Stop trying to enlarge differences.


>Who says "business people" aren't capable of dealing with uncertainty?

Not defending the parent comment because it's way off base. But come on. You've never seen non-development stakeholders struggle to accept devs communicating uncertainty?


It totally depends on how you communicate the uncertainty.


>Who says "business people" aren't capable of dealing with uncertainty?

Well not me if you read my comment.

Also given that you don't know me but you immediately made a personal attack based on your own misunderstanding... you kind of proved yourself wrong. That's why people don't talk to you.


A founder is someone who starts a business.

It's not whatever you mentioned here.




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